Three Little Pigs Playing Cards

[PrincessTrouble]

Available noon PST tomorrow from Pure Imagination.

[shermjack]

Wow! That looks pretty amazing so far! So, are all the cards debossed and colorless like the KoS? Am quite anxious to see more.

[Räpylätassu]

Looks somewhat nice but none of their previous decks have really impressed me so I am not expecting much.

Also when a deck has something to show, it is shown properly. These photos don't really show anything important, which in most cases is a sign of standard courts.

We'll see.

[jsantafe]

Les Meliés Eclipse is pretty nice even with standard courts, which I also find boring. All those added magic features are cool, even for a simple collector!
Second picture seems to show a non standard court, I really hope there are not repeating, which I find even worse than standard, ha ha!

[ecNate]

Yeah, I'm not expecting much, but this could be awesome. I'm not getting too excited though with the stupid zoomed in macro teaser shots that show next to nothing.

Where will it be available then and where did you find the teaser photos? Their website (http://www.pureimaginationprojects.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) is quite sad and they don't have much of a presence elsewhere. The usual vendors that deal with them don't have anything either about this.

[PrincessTrouble]

Yeah, I'm not expecting much, but this could be awesome. I'm not getting too excited though with the stupid zoomed in macro teaser shots that show next to nothing.

Where will it be available then and where did you find the teaser photos? Their website (http://www.pureimaginationprojects.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) is quite sad and they don't have much of a presence elsewhere. The usual vendors that deal with them don't have anything either about this.

I'm guessing it'll be available on their website, and I found the pics on their IG.

[PrincessTrouble]

BTW, one of the IG pics says "16 months in the making."

[vasta41]

Either they meant noon Pacific Time or their sorry website isn't selling them.

[PrincessTrouble]

Either they meant noon Pacific Time or their sorry website isn't selling them.

Noon PST

[PrincessTrouble]

It's a kickstarter. That was a letdown....

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[jerichoholic]

it's live now, repeating courts, ugh. That's almost worse than standard courts and not surprising based on their last deck. If you are going to customize the court cards then go all the way or don't do anything at all. It just seems lazy to draw 3 court cards and give up.

If you can't be bothered to put in the effort then I can't be bothered to put in my money.

I'll get these later, hopefully at no cost, lol. That is IF they even fund.

[Stepchild]

So much white space around these courts too. And at $17 shipped it's easy to say no to this.


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[shermjack]

What a tremendous letdown...not what I imagined at all from the teaser ...I will pass for now

[Fes]

I'm in on these no problem. There are similar courts but they do have a little subtle difference and they maintain the theme well. I really like the aces and I love the jokers. It's a lot of fun to be had here in my opinion. Curious about the tiers though, three little pigs should offer up a tier for three decks. I'm a fan of PIP designs myself, I have enjoyed many PIP decks. This one also seems to have some tuck bling going on, it'll be interesting to see what they turn out like.

[JuFiN]

Love the aces those pigs are too cute! I'm a bit confused though about the tuck, the kickstarter shows a closeup rendering and then an unfolded mockup image, but the two don't match... I would link images but I'm on mobile.

[see_squared]

it's live now, repeating courts, ugh. That's almost worse than standard courts and not surprising based on their last deck. If you are going to customize the court cards then go all the way or don't do anything at all. It just seems lazy to draw 3 court cards and give up.

If you can't be bothered to put in the effort then I can't be bothered to put in my money.

I'll get these later, hopefully at no cost, lol. That is IF they even fund.

This is what always gets me about the playing card community. A lack of understanding. When working with top quality artists and illustrators, you'll find that 12 unique illustrations is very expensive...especially when you add in the artwork required for the back, jokers, Ace of Spades (this deck has four unique Aces) and the intricate work involved for tuck boxes...you'll find that you end up spending more money on those 12 court cards than you do on the rest of the artwork combined. Unless you're somebody like Jackson, Uusi and few others who can do all the illustrations yourself...it's a very expensive thing to do. This is why it's rare to see, even in Theory and D&D decks.

Not trying to sound arrogant or rude, but you'll find this out when you design your own deck and work with quality illustrators. I've helped Derek out with this deck over the past year and have signed on to help manage his campaign. I'm afraid you're wildly mistaken if you think there was little effort put forth to create this deck.

[th4mo]

it's live now, repeating courts, ugh. That's almost worse than standard courts and not surprising based on their last deck. If you are going to customize the court cards then go all the way or don't do anything at all. It just seems lazy to draw 3 court cards and give up.

If you can't be bothered to put in the effort then I can't be bothered to put in my money.

I'll get these later, hopefully at no cost, lol. That is IF they even fund.

This is what always gets me about the playing card community. A lack of understanding. When working with top quality artists and illustrators, you'll find that 12 unique illustrations is very expensive...especially when you add in the artwork required for the back, jokers, Ace of Spades (this deck has four unique Aces) and the intricate work involved for tuck boxes...you'll find that you end up spending more money on those 12 court cards than you do on the rest of the artwork combined. Unless you're somebody like Jackson, Uusi and few others who can do all the illustrations yourself...it's a very expensive thing to do. This is why it's rare to see, even in Theory and D&D decks.

Not trying to sound arrogant or rude, but you'll find this out when you design your own deck and work with quality illustrators. I've helped Derek out with this deck over the past year and have signed on to help manage his campaign. I'm afraid you're wildly mistaken if you think there was little effort put forth to create this deck.

It seems like Victor got under your skin a little bit, and you wouldn't be the first to say that. His special talent is being a whiny little troll.

I also understand your feeling defensive about a project that you contributed to.

However...

This is what always gets me about people who talk about how much "effort" went into designing a deck or any other product. It doesn't mean a damn thing! What matters is the final product and how it measures up to the competition. The claims about the amount of time and effort put into a project have become a running joke around here precisely because they usually originate from projects that are not that impressive. It's almost like the creators know they are falling short, and start off from a defensive posture.

The fact is that this deck exists in a market that has become saturated, and where collectors are becoming more discerning. Yes, you ARE competing again Jackson and Uusi, and Lorenzo and Giovanni and Lotrek and many others who have set the bar very high. And I may be wrong, but I don't recall ever hearing any of those folks focus on how much "effort" went into their decks... Maybe as a general discussion, but never as a selling point. The decks that get the highest accolades around here tend to be labors of love, and it shows. You can complain all you want about how much it costs to hire a professional artist, but that just makes me question the motivation for this deck in the first place. Is it purely a money making enterprise? If so, there is nothing wrong with that. But, when the highest grossing deck creators discuss the finances of their projects, it's clear that nobody is getting rich on playing cards, at least not on Kickstarter. So is it even a smart business choice to attempt a KS where you need to pay a professional artist? Perhaps not?

I'm not trying to be rude either, and I appreciate you reminding us how much good work from good talent can cost. It does help to explain why the "larger players" (E, T11, D&D, etc.) don't typically put out decks that truly impress anyone. Those guys really are just all about volume, and dollars and cents, and few would describe their products as labors of love. KS, on the other hand, is known as a venue for self-starters, who DO put in the majority of the work themselves, instead of hiring on professional talent. So if you want to compete with that, then you go in with your eyes open, and you don't insult your market for not "understanding" how great your product is.

That said, the art work here really is pretty nice, but I also will probably be passing. Not just because of the repeating courts, but that plays heavily into it. I am one of those who would have jumped on this just a year or two ago, but have become much more selective now that I have seen what else is out there.

This does seem like a professionally-run campaign and I wish you good luck!

[vasta41]

This is not the first time see_squared has released a deck with repeating features and come here to tell us how expensive and amazing it is: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7728&hilit=sleepy#p92329" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...which draws me to only one of two things: either they're very out of touch with the market or Sleepy Hollow sold pretty well and got more positive reviews elsewhere. I have to lean towards the latter because despite some comments here I don't think this company is inept because the artwork and effort clearly show. But the reason I think Sleepy Hollow must have sold well is because what most here considered a mistake (repeating features throughout the deck) is done once again. And why, after reading the criticisms of the 1st deck, would they do it again unless it sold like crazy? Maybe we don't understand, maybe we are out of touch here- who knows. But I for one won't be backing this for the exact same reason I didn't buy the Sleepy Hollow deck. Both have beautiful designs and really cool themes but the cost versus value just don't weigh out for me.

[jerichoholic]

If costs are an issue why bother customizing any court cards then?

[Joker and the Thief]

If costs are an issue why bother customizing any court cards then?

Because people will then complain about standard courts.

Yes, in this instance, Three Little Pigs' courts are in fact repeated, but they are tastefully done.
Best of luck to the guys at Pure Imagination Projects, wishing them success and all the best.

[Fes]

If costs are an issue why bother customizing any court cards then?

Because people will then complain about standard courts.

Yes, in this instance, Three Little Pigs' courts are in fact repeated, but they are tastefully done.
Best of luck to the guys at Pure Imagination Projects, wishing them success and all the best.

I agree about these courts. They are very tastefully done. Depending on what a person wants out of this deck, I think it fills many purposes. For me usability is what it comes down to most often. Then again I am somewhat of an eccentric and I pick up decks for odd reasons, the number one reason being I like playing cards. I like them a lot.

Back on the courts here though. I think we see thought going into these repeating courts that is often lacking. This can give a lot of people into a bias of repeating courts are bad, because of past experience with them as many decks have done repeating courts to a much lesser extent than these. Here we have color changes within the detailed field of the charming little piggies as well as the areas that were designed into the illustrations to specifically house suit indicators. The shields the pigs are holding seem minor and are easy to overlook but there is a stroke of brilliance there. As well as the cut out along the frame for the custom Pip. The frame itself is very well done too giving that little touch of extra distance between frame and indices makes the indices show up nice and bold. It all adds up to a very classy look.

There is a lot to like for me on this deck. I don't think that these repeating courts hold it back at all. Really good stuff here.

[TGunitedcardists]

This is what always gets me about people who talk about how much "effort" went into designing a deck or any other product. It doesn't mean a damn thing! What matters is the final product and how it measures up to the competition. The claims about the amount of time and effort put into a project have become a running joke around here precisely because they usually originate from projects that are not that impressive. It's almost like the creators know they are falling short, and start off from a defensive posture.

The fact is that this deck exists in a market that has become saturated, and where collectors are becoming more discerning. Yes, you ARE competing again Jackson and Uusi, and Lorenzo and Giovanni and Lotrek and many others who have set the bar very high. And I may be wrong, but I don't recall ever hearing any of those folks focus on how much "effort" went into their decks... Maybe as a general discussion, but never as a selling point. The decks that get the highest accolades around here tend to be labors of love, and it shows. You can complain all you want about how much it costs to hire a professional artist, but that just makes me question the motivation for this deck in the first place. Is it purely a money making enterprise? If so, there is nothing wrong with that. But, when the highest grossing deck creators discuss the finances of their projects, it's clear that nobody is getting rich on playing cards, at least not on Kickstarter. So is it even a smart business choice to attempt a KS where you need to pay a professional artist? Perhaps not?

x100 This is how I view things.

For this Three Little Pigs deck, the tuck is nice and the Aces are pretty good. I think the idea is better than the execution. The Joker idea is also nice, but not not elaborate enough and the court cards aren't up to the same standard of the Aces. They look like two different artists designed them, and the lesser artist did the court cards. It feels, "lazy." Spend the extra time and come up with kickass court cards. The ones in this deck are not kickass at all.

For people talking about how non-repeating court cards cost too much, I don't buy that argument at all. I think designers are better going with standard court cards, and all custom Aces rather than custom Aces and repeating courts. Also, there are artists like Emmanuel Jose who go the extra mile and do 54-58 custom cards.

The only way to urge designers to rethink this repeating court card garbage is not to encourage them, and don't buy/pledge (speaking with your wallet). It's obvious from the Kickstarter details that $2,000 of the $12,000 goal with 28 days to go that this project will not fund.

This deck is not for me, and I'm on the not buying/pledging on any repeating court card decks.

[shermjack]

Why is the Q so small compared to the K/J? Does anyone else other than me think that it looks strange?

[flyers3003]

Why is the Q so small compared to the K/J? Does anyone else other than me think that it looks strange?

Yes. That is the biggest reason for me not to buy these. I can get past the repeating courts, although I would prefer they weren't. But the queens are so small compared to the Kings and Jacks that I can't overlook it and pull the trigger on these. Really quite a shame as this had potential but fell drastically short.

[sinjin7]

Look, we live in a real world where things aren't free, so I think there may be some validity to the argument that repeating courts may result as a function of keeping costs down low enough to make it economically feasible enough to produce a custom deck for some people. But in that same real world, the vast majority of consumers of custom playing cards overwhelmingly prefer non-repeating courts. So if someone is going to design/produce a custom deck, they really need to factor in the cost of artwork for non-repeating courts if they want to produce a custom deck with the greatest chance of success acceptance among the playing card community. I can think of only one deck with repeating courts that was favorably received by most of the collecting community, and that is the JAQK deck. But as nice as the JAQK deck is, it would be all the more awesome if the courts didn't repeat.

It seems the majority of comments in this thread reflect appreciation of the design of the Three Little Pigs deck, but for many the repeating courts is an unfortunate deal-breaker. Between the two options, I would personally prefer standard courts over repeating courts, especially if the tuck box, back design, aces, and jokers are designed well enough to offset and overcome the handicap of standard courts. But obviously the best option is a well designed, fully customized deck with non-repeating courts, and this is the only type of deck I find myself buying now. There are just too many really good fully custom decks coming out these days for me to spend too much time or money considering "custom" decks with standard courts. And if the courts repeat, that deck most likely will not make the cut.

[vasta41]

I can think of only one deck with repeating courts that was favorably received by most of the collecting community, and that is the JAQK deck. But as nice as the JAQK deck is, it would be all the more awesome if the courts didn't repeat.

While I agree I would also argue that the overall theme of the JAQK decks was a very mod, 50's-style, almost minimalist design. And while custom courts would have been nice, non-custom courts didn't ruin the deck. In fact, repeating courts aren't the reason I won't pledge for this deck. I think the truth of the matter (for me anyway) is that all the other aspects of the deck are above-standard (aces, back, tuck, pips) so the expectation of the courts is inherently higher but falls short. But above all, the main reason I won't pledge is the $17 price tag which I know is due to the cost of artwork. But why does it seem that most of the decks I pledge for either don't have that problem or are justified by its features?

[TGunitedcardists]

It seems the majority of comments in this thread reflect appreciation of the design of the Three Little Pigs deck, but for many the repeating courts is an unfortunate deal-breaker. Between the two options, I would personally prefer standard courts over repeating courts, especially if the tuck box, back design, aces, and jokers are designed well enough to offset and overcome the handicap of standard courts. But obviously the best option is a well designed, fully customized deck with non-repeating courts, and this is the only type of deck I find myself buying now. There are just too many really good fully custom decks coming out these days for me to spend too much time or money considering "custom" decks with standard courts. And if the courts repeat, that deck most likely will not make the cut.

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[Bikefanatic]

"I'll huff and puff and blow away this deck of cards!" Since it won't fund, gotta pay attention to suggestions given on here.

[PrincessTrouble]

Canceled.

[vasta41]

Canceled.

I guess I was proven wrong- the courts won't be repeating. In fact, there won't be any at all!