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So I checked my email today and saw a lot of JR activity in previous projects, and I thought: "What promotion is JR doing?" It turns out that it was Legal Tender. Creators do as they please, but you could had a little more of consideration for people that supported you over and over again and give them a heads up like 24 hour before..
But once again it amaizes me how people throw thier money at him when he just has 2 pictures of the cards (3 if you watch the video) and the picture of the box and in the first 24 hours this has risen already 45K!!!
There's no description of the features the deck will have, if you watch the video he mentions holographic foil, but is not said as a given, so paying $14 for a EPCC deck that I don't know nothing about is asking a bit too much.
And the Legacy Edition... $175 for a black wooden case?? That wood must be very expensive, at least in his previous campaigns Legacy Edition would came with Gilded decks, in this one.... well will have to wait and see...

Again JR chooses to go with KS, I suppose that he choosed this path because he wants his backers to be part of the creation process (as he did with his previous projects!! read irony), at least this time show your supporters the artwork once it is finished, so they can help you spot your mistakes and not happening again Texas, Moriarty deck...

Unfortunately I'll have to support this deck now as I don't want to pay double on the after market, but as it is right now (knowing nothing (Like Jon Snow) about specs of the deck) wil go for one of each.

This is like the only project ever that I know of that the release date wasn't announced but good thing it's not limited like the Tally Ho decks or a lot of people would've been SOL.

I gotta say, there are a few things that I wish were done differently (printer co. & Bike-branding to name a couple) but overall still I think these are beautiful. In for two!

For the record wenge wood, the wood being used for these cases is VERY expensive... I have used it occasionally in my wood shop so I know this from personal experience. the $175 tag on these is not far off what you might spend for a small jewelry box with nothing in it made of the same material!

I'm looking forward to these decks a lot. I think most of us have a lot of faith in Jackson. He's not perfect... nobody is. He has also had a bit of a rough last 12 months in both his creative playing card life and personal life. In my opinion, he has overcome a lot of creative and personal challenges that I'm not sure too many of us could have done ourselves and be as productive the way he has... and for that we should be grateful and proud. I also don't think anyone can look over all that he has accomplished from the beginning and say they are disappointed in what they see. He has released some of the most collected decks to date and continues to put out amazing prints and decks. Hopefully he will have better luck on the printing side and catch any small details that may need correcting. Decks are coming!!! Patience! They will be worth it overall!

Good Luck Jackson! Look forward to your updates!!!

There are still some unreleased Legacy Editions waiting to be added, so if you missed the launch you still have a shot at getting one. We held back almost half of them to give people a fair chance if they missed the first round. We plan to release the remaining ones in just over 11 hours from now, in other words 8pm central time. The decks are the same as in the other tiers, we decided against doing gilding this time due to the issues with gilding we’ve run into in the past.

About these decks in general (more info to follow in an update): The print-run will be decided by the amount of decks pledged for during the campaign. Not limited to a certain number in advance, in other words. The tuck cases will be embossed and partially foiled, and the cards themselves will have metallic inks, and foil on the backs. Hopefully you’ll feel that those things will justify the $14 price tag. We have a few more ideas and plans we hope to do, so we’ll keep everyone updated.

There’ll be more pictures coming during and the campaign to give everyone an idea of what it’ll look like and to have more eyes to spot any errors.

For those wondering about uncut sheets and prints, we do not plan to make them available during the campaign. The prints have simply not sold well enough to justify placing an order (we’d end up sitting on dozens). We still plan to order uncut sheets but will make those available on the website when we have them in our hands - this way we can ensure that when they are made available for purchase, we will be able to deliver them.

Jackson decided to go with EPCC for this project for a few different reasons, one being that we hope to do something with this project that USPCC simply can't do technically. With that comes that the Bicycle brand is not an option for these decks.

Thanks Marcus!

I was confident that the product would be worth the price tag (as I am sure many other were), but it is always better knowing what the details are since that is where the devil is...

sms69x wrote: Unfortunately I'll have to support this deck now as I don't want to pay double on the after market, but as it is right now (knowing nothing (Like Jon Snow) about specs of the deck) wil go for one of each.

I think by the looks of things these will by no means be limited. Maybe after market could even be cheaper.

I think Jackson has been hinting long enough about the special bells and whistles he wanted to explore, such as the watermark effect and holographic security foiling, for us to be able to have had an educated guess about the features when pledging. And if each card is going to have some amount of foiling on the backs as well, then the relatively expensive price per deck shipped is actually well in line with pricing of decks with foiling in the past.

I think the writing was on the wall about Jackson going with the Taiwanese printer for this project as well. To be honest, I almost decided not to pledge for the U.S. Legal Tender deck due to this fact. I thought it almost galling that a deck celebrating United States currency, and actually released on the most patriotic day of the year commemorating the independence of the United States, would be made in Asia. But then I thought about it, and if Jackson is going to make this a series based upon the currencies of several different countries, it is simply not feasible for him to use printers based in each of those countries. Basically, only one country could have "home field advantage" with a domestic printer, and in this case that's just going to be Taiwan, not the United States, unfortunately. But at the end of the day, I'm trusting that Jackson will "wow" me sufficiently with the cards that it will be easier to overlook the irony of the printer.

From purely a design point of view, I'm not digging the color scheme of the U.S. deck. The background color is too khaki or yellowed or aged, almost like a vintage look. It should be stone colored to reflect contemporary bills, and the green should be a bit darker.

sinjin7 wrote:From purely a design point of view, I'm not digging the color scheme of the U.S. deck. The background color is too khaki or yellowed or aged, almost like a vintage look. It should be stone colored to reflect contemporary bills, and the green should be a bit darker.

Just pulled a brand new $10 bill out of my pocket and it's pretty beige, not what I would call a stone but more of an almost wood color

*edit*
So just out of curiosity I pulled a high res scan of a $10 bill and took color samples of the darkest and lightest background colors on the bills gradient and they are even warmer than I would have guessed when I was eyeballing it.

That's only the $10, which is almost peach, and an outlier among the rest of the bills. Look at the $1, $5, $20, and $100 for a more representative color scheme of U.S. currency. The fifty is a bit peachy as well.

sinjin7 wrote:That's only the $10, which is almost peach, and an outlier among the rest of the bills. Look at the $1, $5, $20, $50 and $100 for a more representative color scheme of U.S. currency.

Out of curiosity I took the most recent card jackson showed to do a similar comparison and the colors are almost identical

You probably didn't catch my edit before posting again. As I mentioned, the $10 and $50 bills are different from the $1, $5, $20 and $100.

sinjin7 wrote:You probably didn't catch my edit before posting again. As I mentioned, the $10 and $50 bills are different from the $1, $5, $20 and $100.

I did see that, and it's a fair argument, so I decided I should do a $5, which is almost more colorful in it's background gradient as of 2014 than the $10
I didn't pull the $20, but looking at the current $20 it has the same warm toned gradient

It looks like the only bill that doesn't take on a very reddish gradient is the $1 bill, and since I think the point of this deck is to illustrate the beauty and color of modern currency the reddish warm background on the cards is probably a better representation of contemporary US currency overall, since I imagine Jackson wants all of the cards to have a uniform background between them, with the $1 bill being the only major outliar on the color bandwagon

Yes the final cards will have this slight color difference. It's never a good idea to judge final print color (especially when it is a very slight difference) using RGB on your computer But I'm super excited you guys noticed that little detail. Its hard to see on the computer but even the faint line patterns in the back ground will also match each denom.

FYI

The different colors match Monopoly money

JacksonRobinson wrote:Yes the final cards will have this slight color difference. It's never a good idea to judge final print color (especially when it is a very slight difference) using RGB on your computer But I'm super excited you guys noticed that little detail. Its hard to see on the computer but even the faint line patterns in the back ground will also match each denom.

FYI

The different colors match Monopoly money

The $10 flows from Orange > Yellow > Red
The $20 flows from Green > Peach > Blue
The $50 flows from Blue > Red > Blue
The $100 flows from Green > Violet > Green

All security features to distinguish the bills.

Hmm, I really don't carry cash around much anymore so I had to go online to check it out, and it appears aside from the $1 and $2 bills, U.S. currency definitely got more colorful. I guess the background of the cards can be varied to match any particular denomination, but I would like to see a darker green. In any event, I'm definitely looking forward to the new innovations that will be used for the Legal Tender decks.

sinjin7 wrote:Basically, only one country could have "home field advantage" with a domestic printer, and in this case that's just going to be Taiwan, not the United States, unfortunately. But at the end of the day, I'm trusting that Jackson will "wow" me sufficiently with the cards that it will be easier to overlook the irony of the printer.

Let's see if Jackson will have a deck for Taiwan!

I dunno why but I just can't get excited about these decks. They're quite nice and Jackson's artistry is top notch of course, but they're just not wowing me. I'm in for one of each still but personally I have to wonder, just how many money themed decks do we need? It's starting to get a little saturated IMO.

chach wrote:I dunno why but I just can't get excited about these decks. They're quite nice and Jackson's artistry is top notch of course, but they're just not wowing me. I'm in for one of each still but personally I have to wonder, just how many money themed decks do we need? It's starting to get a little saturated IMO.

I was thinking much the same as well as in for the same one of each. I will say I like the Chinese themed deck more. Not just because it is different but I love Asian art.

Brazilian reals would be unique currency to do. Australian dollars too.

Any chance a mod can change the topic of this thread since it's live and running?

Marcus wrote:Any chance a mod can change the topic of this thread since it's live and running?

Done. And I also edited the first post to include the project stats

Jay

nECr0MaNCeD wrote:

chach wrote:I dunno why but I just can't get excited about these decks. They're quite nice and Jackson's artistry is top notch of course, but they're just not wowing me. I'm in for one of each still but personally I have to wonder, just how many money themed decks do we need? It's starting to get a little saturated IMO.

I was thinking much the same as well as in for the same one of each. I will say I like the Chinese themed deck more. Not just because it is different but I love Asian art.

It says something for the deck that despite not being into it you are still picking up one of each. I think Jackson does currency well, and am happy to keep supporting him doing currency, especially since he really nails the concept. But I don't, and likely won't ever, get other designer's decks based off money because currency as a theme is really dull, and if you took Jackson out of the equation I wouldn't be interested.

chach wrote:I dunno why but I just can't get excited about these decks. They're quite nice and Jackson's artistry is top notch of course, but they're just not wowing me. I'm in for one of each still but personally I have to wonder, just how many money themed decks do we need? It's starting to get a little saturated IMO.

With foil on the cards, watermarking, and the possibility of holographic foil for the security strips, I'm really excited for these decks.

At first glance I like this deck, What if I told you the index of the cards would change from vertical to horizontal for awhile just because of this:
YOu better have some good eyesight in the future... I heard he put KoC in the border. If he didn't that would be next step. Imagine a QoH border. Maybe Jackson has made the standard smallest index and make it work. I don't know.

The feather is a nice touch, but the writing in the background does not have a border nor does the holographic stripe. It can't be used for poker. I might be able to tell if you see an old Franklin being tossed and ppl like to bet real money when playing poker. It's now an Art Deck. A collectors deck if you will.,.

I think it's awesome!

I don't usually use any of these Kickstarter decks to play with because they are not plastic and are all about the art. All casinos and card rooms use plastic. I'm out here dealing the WSOP and we are using Copag's this year. Last year was Kem... Both plastic. They hold up better when players squeeze and can be dried off if they get wet... Unlike all other card stocks. Maybe some day you can print a plastic deck Jackson! Great job!


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sprouts1115 wrote:The feather is a nice touch, but the writing in the background does not have a border nor does the holographic stripe. It can't be used for poker. I might be able to tell if you see an old Franklin being tossed and ppl like to bet real money when playing poker. It's now an Art Deck. A collectors deck if you will.,.

I can't take credit for the feather as it's on the $100 dollar bill. But as for it being disqualified as a usable deck, I would have to disagree. Just because a design element is not inside a border doesn't automatically make it a tell. I have made numerous decks that have an element break the border. Any design element weather a index, pip or holographic foil could be used to spot a card as it flies across the table. The only time it would be unusable is if one of those elements was visible somehow from the back side of the card. Borders are just another design element not a frame or boundary for a design. I would go as far as to say this is one of the most usable decks I have made. I have over 4 different style indexes and suit indicators on each card to help you recognize the card during playing.

It is however still very much an art deck.

JacksonRobinson wrote:Any design element weather a index, pip or holographic foil could be used to spot a card as it flies across the table. The only time it would be unusable is if one of those elements was visible somehow from the back side of the card. Borders are just another design element not a frame or boundary for a design.

The deck can also be unusable if the design element that bleeds to the edge is visible in a stack by the edges as well (these decks are classified as edge readers). For instance, if only the courts get the holo strip treatment and it is visible on the edge, you would be able to tell how many court cards still remained in the stack or if one will be dealt soon. Hopefully this deck doesn't turn into an edge reader.

A classic edge reader deck is the Texan Palmetto deck. The irregular full bleed backs cause patterns in the edges of the deck that can be manipulated by card cheats or magicians to identify certain cards. For example, you can turn rotate just the aces 180 degrees and shuffle them back into the deck and you would be able to tell roughly where they are in a stack by reading the non-conformity in the edge pattern. Jeff Busby has written an entire book called the Secret of the Palmettos where he describes the many ways card cheats or magicians can use the Texan Palmetto deck to spot and identify specific cards by reading the edges of the stacked deck.