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Harvonsgard wrote:

SirCrunoke wrote:Chronos (Players, white tuck) edition.

*Collector's edition. Player's edition is the one with the black tuck.

It is right like I wrote it, cause I can offer one of both.

I GOT THEM IN THE MAIL TODAY!!!

Lotrek please marry me!

Holy !$#@## These are the best deck I've ever felt... like bro I was happy just touching them... Then I opened them and played around with the cards. I'm not joking when I say these feel leagues above the other decks I bought, granted it's a 40+ Euro deck but it feels like it's worth much more. I definitely got my money's worth and MUCH MUCH MORE. What the hell? I feel like I'm happiness orgasmic or something. They feel, they feel... Right. I can't describe it. It just feels right like what the hell? The cards smell different than the usual cards, granted Lotrek prints local, they feel better look better and idk but... WEFAERGjaigadjzvbkjsfbda'w;?FEivGvRAgvlksv.

They just are great I don't know what orgasmic feeling this is but it feels right.

OVSUB wrote:Lotrek please marry me!

Some real Lotrek love and I totally get it

OVSUB wrote:I GOT THEM IN THE MAIL TODAY!!!

Awesome. Glad to hear they are making it to the US. Hopefully Canada will not be too far behind. Super excited to get these in my hands.

Got my Gold on Gold (I was lucky!) in the US as well I have to admit that I was tempted to flip it on eBay but I opened it up Lotrek's 'goal' was successful, the edges of the deck are pure white which is very clean-looking when you open the tuck, which has gold foil completely covering the interior

hsbc wrote:I have to admit that I was tempted to flip it on eBay but I opened it up

I'd still take it
I just watched Romeril's unboxing from yesterday ... bummer to have missed that GoG. I was thinking about getting the GoB as a booby prize but nah.

Harvonsgard wrote: I just watched Romeril's unboxing from yesterday ...

link?

It was an instagram live that you could rewatch for some time but it isn't there anymore. Unfortunately due to time zone differences I can't always make it to his lives but they're always fun and he is an open everything-collector with a great collection. So there is always something nice to see. His instagram is linked in his signature here at UC or here.

EDIT: If you use the app it is still there.

Nobody else seems to have mentioned this so I thought I would ask. Is it just me or is the GoG tuck a little yellow compared to the BoG?

Looks like it. Awful! Send it too me so I can litter it for you .

In all seriousness though. The one from the eBay listing from Jacks and Jokers locked pretty white on the pictures.

justplaycards wrote:Nobody else seems to have mentioned this so I thought I would ask. Is it just me or is the GoG tuck a little yellow compared to the BoG?

I thought he mentioned that the GoG would be off-white? I know the stock is so maybe the tuck is too, not sure. But he mentions it here: https://www.oathplayingcards.com/produc ... or-s-g-o-g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Printed on off-white stock without black core

The item copy refers to the cards. Not the tuck box. But you're right at the GoB he writes white stock (the cards) and at the GoG he writes off-white.

The decks have matching color tuck cases. Indeed, the GoG has an off-white tuck case with a more "vintage" look compared to the GoB snow white.

There's a lot to like about this deck. The foil, the printing, and the pure white edges are deee-licious!

My one quibble is that the varnish is applied with a smooth finish instead of a linen-style finish. As a result, even though the varnish feels nice and the slip of the cards is okay-ish, they fan terribly and just don't have the exceptional slip I've come to expect from the top-tier manufacturers. If I recall correctly (and it's possible that I don't), the De Novo decks that Lotrek manufactured *did* have a linen-esque finish and fanned perfectly. (Although, again, I may be misremembering.)

Anyway, a great deck, and I'm happy to have opened and handled these. Looking forward to what's next!

rousselle wrote:There's a lot to like about this deck. The foil, the printing, and the pure white edges are deee-licious!

My one quibble is that the varnish is applied with a smooth finish instead of a linen-style finish. As a result, even though the varnish feels nice and the slip of the cards is okay-ish, they fan terribly and just don't have the exceptional slip I've come to expect from the top-tier manufacturers. If I recall correctly (and it's possible that I don't), the De Novo decks that Lotrek manufactured *did* have a linen-esque finish and fanned perfectly. (Although, again, I may be misremembering.)

Anyway, a great deck, and I'm happy to have opened and handled these. Looking forward to what's next!

I am not a huge fan of linen finish because it obscures the design when it is very detailed. For the fanning do this: with a soft cloth -or even better- a piece of kitchen paper wipe all cards front and back. It will take you 5 minutes and you will be surprised!
Many people believe that the key to great fanning is the linen finish. It isn't. It's the varnish to a huge extent. I have right next to me on my desk a Chronos Carmina deck that is hand cut with a scissors and has smooth finish. But it has my new Maestro V2 varnish and it fans great.

Lotrek wrote:I am not a huge fan of linen finish

Lotrek wrote:I am not a huge fan of linen finish because it obscures the design when it is very detailed.

Honestly I agree with this sentiment, some of the really nice decks I have with lots of design often gets distracted by the linen finish.

Lotrek wrote:For the fanning do this: with a soft cloth -or even better- a piece of kitchen paper wipe all cards front and back. It will take you 5 minutes and you will be surprised! Many people believe that the key to great fanning is the linen finish. It isn't. It's the varnish to a huge extent.

I was surprised after messing with the deck a bit how much smoother it became without linen finish, at first it didn't want to fan at all but after some use it became looser than my smile.

Lotrek wrote:hand cut with a scissors

!!!!! *Faints*

The thing is that I LIKE the linen finish texture, it just gets in the way when the artwork is very detailed and the lines very thin. It's like doing a perfect recording in the studio and then you listen it from an old casette player...

Lotrek wrote:I am not a huge fan of linen finish because it obscures the design when it is very detailed. For the fanning do this: with a soft cloth -or even better- a piece of kitchen paper wipe all cards front and back. It will take you 5 minutes and you will be surprised!
Many people believe that the key to great fanning is the linen finish. It isn't. It's the varnish to a huge extent. I have right next to me on my desk a Chronos Carmina deck that is hand cut with a scissors and has smooth finish. But it has my new Maestro V2 varnish and it fans great.

Lotrek, my friend, I have great respect for your consistently beautiful work, but I will respectfully disagree with your comment about fanning and finish. For optimal fanning, you have to have great varnish working in conjunction with a linen finish. If you have a set of cards with Varnish X, and another set of cards with Varnish X plus a proper linen texture, the textured cards will fan MUCH better and remain consistent and even much LONGER. The coefficient of friction between two flat, smooth surfaces gliding against each other is relatively high and they'll tend to "stick" to each other, but if those flat surfaces have the proper texture, the friction between the surfaces are broken up allowing a cushion of air to facilitate a better glide between the surfaces. It's fundamental physics. You are a great artist, but you cannot overcome the laws of physics.

Now if you have cards with a smooth finish and great varnish versus cards with a linen finish and crappy varnish, it's entirely possible the smooth cards will fan better. Look, Lotrek, your decks are designed (and priced) strictly for discerning collectors and will probably never be high performance cardistry decks. Your first instinct is towards artistic purity, which is why you admitted you're "not a huge fan of linen finish". Your definition and standards for "great" fanning is probably much different from a cardist, magician, or card mechanic. I applaud your efforts in constantly trying to improve your finish, and I always appreciate designers who aim for both beauty and function, but let's be realistic and scientifically factual about the physics of fanning.

@Sinjin7:

Of course I do not doubt physics and my handling skills are equal only to those of a koala. BUT: I'm talking from my experience in experimenting with many combinations.
I don't say that linen finish is insignificant. What I say is that it isn't as important as you think it is. It's varnish that really makes the difference and the linen finish just facilitates. That's why big companies are so secretive about their varnish. I'm sure that even if you torture them and take their nails off, you still won't take a word from them. Only the nails .

If you use a bad varnish on a smooth and a textured stock, you'll see no difference. Whereas if you use a very good varnish on a smooth stock you will have a very similar result to the handling of the same varnish on a linen finish stock.

Regarding the linen, it has another function and you do not suspect that it can be quite the oposite of what you think . But I've said enough and I still have all my nails in place

My goal is to reach the level of the big companies regarding the handling and I'm not far from that.

Lotrek wrote:If you use a bad varnish on a smooth and a textured stock, you'll see no difference. Whereas if you use a very good varnish on a smooth stock you will have a very similar result to the handling of the same varnish on a linen finish stock.

Regarding the linen, it has another function and you do not suspect that it can be quite the oposite of what you think . But I've said enough and I still have all my nails in place

My goal is to reach the level of the big companies regarding the handling and I'm not far from that.

The good varnish on a smooth stock may have a similar result to the handling of the same good varnish on a linen finish stock, but the consistency and evenness of the handling is much shorter. No one disputes the quality of the USPCC's varnish (nor the quality of their Air Cushion linen finish), they have had almost 150 years of experience perfecting it. They used to have a deck called the Steamboat 999 deck that had a smooth finish (it has since been recently reprinted by the Buck twins with a linen finish) that used the same varnish as their regular Air Cushioned decks. The Steamboats fanned almost as well as a Rider Back . . . at first. But after a few months of handling, the fanning capabilities greatly declined. Now the full-bleed back design of the Steamboats helped conceal flaws in fanning, but there is no question after a period of time the decks clumped. In that same period of time with the same amount of use, the Air Cushioned Rider Back with linen texture maintained it's evenness and consistency in fanning and lasted much longer in that regard. With fanning, it has less to do with how "slippery" a deck is but more to do with how consistent and even it is. Smooth finished decks just can't keep up in consistency and evenness for as long as linen finished decks.

As for the function of the linen finish and it's relative importance, I'm confident in the laws of physics and we'll respectfully agree to disagree.

Again, I applaud you for your goal of trying to catch up with the USPCC in terms of handling. How close you think you are can be better left to PM's between you and me.

Lotrek wrote:Regarding the linen, it has another function and you do not suspect that it can be quite the oposite of what you think . But I've said enough and I still have all my nails in place

I'm intrigued to visit Greece; with a nail clipper . I would love to hear more but have to live with your decision to say no more - until I roamed Greece to find you and your workshop .

I do agree with both to equal parts, sinjin7 and Lotrék.
My main gripe with B9 finish from Cartamundi is the lines on their cards. It is kind of annoying regarding the artwork. USPCC's linen structure does not interfere too much with the artwork in my opinion. The even dimples aren't annoying to me but I can understand from a printer's perspective if the dimples annoy you. No printer likes to print on uneven surfaces.
For the glide part I'm with sinjin7, I've come across smooth cards that fan out of the box just as good as dimpled or otherwise structured cards but from a longevity perspective, not even close.

Harvonsgard wrote:I've come across smooth cards that fan out of the box just as good as dimpled or otherwise structured cards but from a longevity perspective, not even close.

The solution is simple: Fan my decks only once a week.

It might be blasphemic, but when it comes to an Oath deck, handling is just a secondary factor for me . Icons Sacred e.g. handles really crappy. But that doesn't take away from it's beautiful art. I do enjoy watching your chase for the perfect varnish though.

Somebody already has a G.O.B. for sale on ebay for $100, I wonder what a G.O.G will go for?

Bikefanatic wrote:Somebody already has a G.O.B. for sale on ebay for $100, I wonder what a G.O.G will go for?

One just recently sold for about $160usd

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Oath-Standard- ... 1438.l2649

Bikefanatic wrote:Somebody already has a G.O.B. for sale on ebay for $100, I wonder what a G.O.G will go for?

Just cause it is in for 100$ does NOT mean it will go for that.


I also want to readd my trade offering for one G.o.G one.
If somebody would like to trade you can view my PF52 tradelist if you'd like one or more of that.
I don't want to spam it, but I know there are some people just reading the last few posts. Since they came in at US theese days, maybe there is someone.
(If it is too much, you can tell me and I will delete.)

I was going to say that my G.O.G. Oath will be available when I am deceased. However, I had to change my thinking. If anyone would like to trade me an 1890 Venice-Simplon Orient Express deck for my G.O.G. Oath Deck, you got your self a trade. Anyone?

If acebear02 has a G.O.G. Oath for sale on eBay, I want to see that listing.

Bradius wrote:I was going to say that my G.O.G. Oath will be available when I am deceased. However, I had to change my thinking. If anyone would like to trade me an 1890 Venice-Simplon Orient Express deck for my G.O.G. Oath Deck, you got your self a trade. Anyone?

If acebear02 has a G.O.G. Oath for sale on eBay, I want to see that listing.

You made me hope and it did fall in the same sentence

A gold on gold already went for $455

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=304&start=580#p179585

And that Gold on Black is already sold.
I'm also from Portugal but I don't know the seller.