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I'd say the consensus is some care, some don't.

Eric Lee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2024 5:54 am

Adamthinks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:16 am It bothers me a bit that he looked through all these and deemed them acceptable. I'm gonna hold off on buying any of his decks for a while. I don't trust that what he would deliver would match what he says. At the 11th hour I had jumped in and bought one of the Mystery 3 decks, and I'm kinda regretting it now.

For the Mystery decks and any other public decks, it's going to be as perfect and defect free as much as Lotrek can control these. You can see in other Lotrek threads, that he'll send replacements for any damaged cards.

The White Patreons are an anomaly as this is the only deck he sold which has such type of damages. The rest were printing errors like the Arabesque Error deck which goes for more than the non-error deck now, or released as redemption decks. But I can't blame him for that. He did show some of the problems and said explicitly that these decks were acceptable.

Probably see it as his White Patreon Seconds deck. You may say that 2nds and Error decks usually go for much lower prices than that, but none of us know just how much the White Patreon would actually cost if sold normally. 60 may just be at a 50% discount!

I mean, he's been having printing issues pretty regularly lately. Mainly with his foiled decks.That's what gives me concern. And while he did show some of the problems with White Patrons, he did also explicitly say that he removed all the problem cards leaving full decks without issues. That clearly was not true. At no point did he indicate that customers would be paying $60 for a deck with these kinds of errors. That's a breach of trust, especially when the errors are this obvious.

wingedpotato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:16 pm

Oneiros88 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:58 am
The Patrons Test Print from back last year is essentially a players version.

Has these courts but no foil

Thanks. I'm not a patron and those don't seem to be for sale on his website. I'm hoping for something widely available.

I was a patron only during year 1, and not at reward tier. I think the point of exclusive Patreon decks is that they won't be available to the public. But I picked up both the Test Print and Redemption VI on eBay. Be patient and you'll find one at the right price. They may come down a bit now that White Patron is out (I see them on eBay already).

In a way I like the Test Print best because it's simple. The foil on Redemption VI looks good enough to me, and I'd rather have perfect courts than perfect foil. The elaborate techniques have never mattered to me, but I like it when Lotrek designs new courts. I hope he finally launches the Codex KS this year, but I know better than to hold my breath.

For what it’s worth, I received my White Patrons and it looks pretty flawless.

Wow, I wonder if this will lead to Lotrek actually being able to produce his decks faster if the printers adopt this? One can hope, right?

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Since US presidents have been granted immunity for official acts, if elected president I will immediately declare a national emergency and commit all printing presses and experts in metallurgy, varnishes and card stocks to getting lotrek caught up.

After that I will likely cause a general mess though

Vote Gandalf 2024

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:21 am Since US presidents have been granted immunity for official acts, if elected president I will immediately declare a national emergency and commit all printing presses and experts in metallurgy, varnishes and card stocks to getting lotrek caught up.

After that I will likely cause a general mess though

Vote Gandalf 2024

You’re the best candidate I’ve seen so far. You can count on my vote.

CourtCurator wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:00 am

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:21 am Since US presidents have been granted immunity for official acts, if elected president I will immediately declare a national emergency and commit all printing presses and experts in metallurgy, varnishes and card stocks to getting lotrek caught up.

After that I will likely cause a general mess though

Vote Gandalf 2024

You’re the best candidate I’ve seen so far. You can count on my vote.

@gandalf no politics allowed you should know better! @hsbc ban hammer

Playing cards Trumps politics. Gandalf 2024 is the ticket!

bdawg923 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:02 pm @gandalf no politics allowed you should know better! @hsbc ban hammer

Help I banned myself now what

The deck will be reprinted ASAP (whatever that means) and we will resend you the exact number of decks you initially ordered, no questions asked.

You don't need to do anything, you can keep the decks you got, throw them away, sell them or use them as door stoppers.

We won't even ask for shipping costs.

That's unexpected and highly appreciated

class act

I had emailed asking for discounts but he went above and beyond. For those who want to read the entire message here it is:

Getting back from vacation we found ourselves in a weird situation: Quite a few Patrons have reported that there are little blemishes on many of the court (and other) cards of the WHITE PATRONS decks. I had seen (and removed) some of them, but I was so focused on the nasty ones that I didn't really think those would be a problem. Apparently, it is. The blemishes are mainly foil traces that stuck there from the back side. This was caused by the varnishing method I followed this time, which obviously causes more trouble than it solves.
I am really pissed off with myself thinking that we sent out decks with what it seems to be a considerable percentage of blemishes.
I don't know how many of you have opened the decks and examined the cards. I also have no idea how many decks have that kind of problem and honestly, I don't care.
Although some people suggested a discount or something similar for future purchases, I think that this arrangement would still leave a somewhat bitter taste. A defective deck won't get any better if your next purchase saves you a few bucks. After we saw that the people who reported problems were more than 3-4, the decision was a no brainer:
The deck will be reprinted ASAP (whatever that means) and we will resend you the exact number of decks you initially ordered, no questions asked.
You don't need to do anything, you can keep the decks you got, throw them away, sell them or use them as door stoppers.
We won't even ask for shipping costs. The fault is ours (mine, actually) and should be covered in full. Of course, these decks will be sent along with another order so that we can at least save some money from shipping. It should be some time in September. These decks are still on sale in our shop and anyone who gets any number of copies from now on, will receive their replacements, too.
Given the chance...
I don't know if it would be nice to have some differences in the reprint. I remember someone had an idea regarding the background which actually was interesting but I don't remember what it was. Anyway, the deck can be reprinted exactly as it is but a couple of alterations is an option. Let us know your ideas.
I'm sorry this happened and I really hope that you approve of the solution.
We have much more news (pleasant ones) to share but let's save some material for later. I've heard somewhere that Patrons like regular updates (sigh)...
Lotrek

A good business decision

At least that part of Lotrék doesn't change as well. He still wents out on a limb to satisfy his customers. Dunno how many money he drowned in reprints to this day .

Did everyone who ordered White Patrons got a tracking number or shipping notification?

I got email tracking notification 2 weeks ago from Deutsche Post. After your post I decided to check on the tracking and mine shows only that the shipping info has been uploaded but nothing about a package actually sent. So, if that info is correct, my package was never sent.

brownsl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:13 am I got email tracking notification 2 weeks ago from Deutsche Post. After your post I decided to check on the tracking and mine shows only that the shipping info has been uploaded but nothing about a package actually sent. So, if that info is correct, my package was never sent.

I'm in the same boat as you. We tend to have similar fates with our shipping.

Ive not received any email regarding shipping info yet

OathPCC Instagram wrote: Playing acrobatics! Oath Standard, Blue Prism edition. Available next week. Stay tuned for more!

In addition, latest update sets Codex between September 20th-30th.

What is meant by Oath Standard , in the Oath series there is Players ,Golden ,Standard . Which one will this be similar to?

Standard primarily refers to his standard courts, and this is his Standard series with his Oath back. Since one side is foiled, it'll likely be like GoB and GoG.

kevork wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:47 am Standard primarily refers to his standard courts, and this is his Standard series with his Oath back. Since one side is foiled, it'll likely be like GoB and GoG.

Cool ! Any idea how much the Standard edition costs?

Given his current prices. probably between 22 and 17 euro plus shipping for the standard. Not sure about the foil version.

I’m hoping to see my White Patrons decks before the next sale..

My shipping status still shows my package has only been uploaded to Deutsche Post on June 27th. No movement since then.

But I’m pretty stoked about Mystery III & Oath BP

Cheers,
KW

(I’ll update if I do receive them shortly)

I aske Lotrek about mystery III and he said he'll have an update about that deck soon. Pumped for that one and Codex.

I came across the Golden Oath thread and saw a Royal Edition being mentioned. Will Lotrek make a Golden Oath for people who missed it ?

zlexander wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:45 am I came across the Golden Oath thread and saw a Royal Edition being mentioned. Will Lotrek make a Golden Oath for people who missed it ?

I think sometimes the Blue Golden Oath is referred to as ‘Royal Golden Oath’.

As for a reprint, I don’t see why he would need go
Just because people missed out on an older deck of his isn’t necessarily a reason for him to reprint.

And for all those people that picked one up on the aftermarket for higher prices (like me) it would be a bit of slap in the face to have the deck reprinted and sold at ‘retail’ prices.

KGthePrince wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:50 pm I aske Lotrek about mystery III and he said he'll have an update about that deck soon. Pumped for that one and Codex.

Is Codex still planned as a Kickstarter campaign? Looking back at Lotrek's IG, I see the first proposed launch was Spring 2022...