ENUMA PLAYING CARDS

[Cardician_82]

What a sneaky move considering when this projected ended and just now getting an update.

[hsbc]

I was all set to back this and cancelled at the last minute - was a bit regretful but much less so now. That being said I've found most first-time creators to be honest with delays being the biggest issue

[vasta41]

Just asked for a refund.

[Decknowledgy]

I was fortunate to bail out on the last minute due to finding other projects that interested me more during that time... somehow the unrounded corners of the back design kept irking me which eventually led to me dropping it. Wasn't on UC then so I didn't know this was a relaunch, but now I feel bad for those who appreciated the effort for the renewed design and jumped on the bandwagon...

[akicer]

“I EVER LISTEN MY BACKERS AND I CONTINUE TO DO NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.”

Guys what do you think

[guru]

Hang on.....what are they saying? I can't see the latest update but are they saying Legends can't work because of the factory fire etc.?

It is baseless and entirely incorrect, if this is what is there in the update. I'd received a message from Lawrence Sullivan on Jan 16th. They are ready to print now as per his message below. Given what happened in their factory, and Lawrence's passion in building Legends to what it is now, I'd have gone ahead working with him. It was because the printers were already selected & the kickstarter was underway, I didn't go for any change.

Playing card designers & creators should be supporting Legends Playing Cards by printing through them and helping them build their lives (of employees) & factory once again.

We had a fire in our warehouse which destroyed a lot of our stock and we are rebuilding now. All ready to print though if you are still interested.

I wish good luck to all backers of this kickstarter. I do hope a few will learn from this experience.

[PipChick]

WAIT, so did the creator really just post an update about a printer change AFTER production already started...??? AND lie about the reasoning for the change in an attempt to deflect any and all accountability?!?!? WHAT IS GOING ON???

I am not a backer so before I start jumping to conclusions, can someone pleasepleaseplease copy, paste and post the "for backers only" update here - hell, the fact that an update about such a HUGE change as this one is only visible to backers is pretty shady in and of itself as it should be something that's totally transparent in not only in a publically open update, but also explicitly stated on the project page. This absolutely should NOT be a private update and the fact that it is makes me perceive the change as something the creator is deliberately trying to hide.

For a creator that was offered a lot of great & insightful feedback that helped improve his deck's design and encouraging support from the community, this is extremely unsettling to see him now treat his backers who, may I remind once again, are his strongest supporters and the ones that were able to get this project past the funding goal after the first failed attempt, with such little regard - like W.T.F.

[akicer]

Here's the update. I deleted some details about the deck


Hy Enuma Backers, i wanted to wait when all productions and shipments informations are available for make this first production update.

As i say in my past updates and comments there is some nice info about the progress of production.

First of all i want to inform all of you that i had to,and i want to ,change the card printer of Enuma.

I'm very proud and exciting to announce that all 3 enuma decks will be printed by NPCC. Herebelow you can find what this fantastic guys they have been able to do in the past;

Ragnarok deck
Chivalry deck
Indictus deck
MIdgard deck

and what they are doing now:

Helheim deck
( i love Marianne & Design Imperator art, so if anyone want support , remain 17 days of this fantastic campaign)

Now i want to explain the reasons that brought me to take this decision: i speak with LPCC many time during the campaign and when the campaign ended, Lawrence(thank for all your support man) inform me that the Lpcc Warehouse had a fire, and some delay in production they would be presented, because they must print in other facility near Hong Kong.(6weeks maybe of delay)

This delay, plus the 5 weeks of seal ocean crossing, and the fullfillment time, it was an unacceptable period of waiting in my opinion. I'm very sad for not have the possibility to work with Lpcc with this work, but i hope there is other opportunity in the future, so thank you LPCC!

NPCC are a great team of professionals,they followed and supported my needs, and first of all, i can stay very near of scheduled time.

So , all layouts of tuckboxes , cards and bonus cards are finally approved and will be printed in the next week.NPCC will send me the videos and photos of production in the next days and i immediately posted here .

The booklet, custom brickboxes, and collector cardboards will be start to print on wednesday 20 february by Ludocards.

Most of you ask to me to receive decks from Europe, so i take the decisions to split the fullfillment, so, at the end of production (end of this month), some decks go to Gamblers Warehouse, other decks (europe backers and all backers who asked to receive from europe) fullfilling directly by NPCC.In this mode all backers receive decks and gadget in the fastest time possible.

I want to recap all features you can find in every single deck:
DELETED to save some space

Before saying goodbye and thanking you, i want show the final version of the two bonus cards:

This is the complete layout by joining the two cards, the claim " and aratagar.." and the rectangle behind, are the two elements in metallic inks.Hope you can appreciated.

Finally i remain available for all your questions, ask to me whatever you want and, especially TRUST IN ME, in a couple of weeks you can have in your hands the decks and i cant wait to know all your feedbacks.
I'm starting to working on my next project in the last month , and i know and i hope to find you all in my next campaign, but now get ready to enjoy the beauty of Enuma Decks.

LOVES YOU ALL

CLAUDE

[akicer]

My feedback :

I'm actually fine with waiting. I believe a lot of other backers are fine with that. The fire is not your fault anyway.

However, if you compromise on quality of the deck simply to meet the deadline, you are jumping into the same situation as joker's and the thiefs. As you mentioned, you are a first time creator and to build a nice track record, I would personally recommend you to stick to a quality printer. NPCC is a great company, I totally agree with you, and EVERYONE knows they are not great for printing. Again, quality is way more important than meeting the time line.

If you want to stick to NPCC, would be great if you can offer reund opportunities. there are tons of people won't support the project if they know ahead of time that the decks will be printed with NPCC.

These are my genuiene suggestions. LISTEN TO BACKERS OR YOU WILL LOSE THEM.

His reply:

I EVER LISTEN MY BACKERS AND I CONTINUE TO DO NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

So if some backers not trust in my decisions or not interest to wait the final results i respect and i do everything to accomplished.

But i ask to all of you to trust again in me and wait to have the decks in your hands.

Im not downgrade my project im UPGRADE and all can verify in a couple of weeks, after then im available for listen all answers of my backers.

Thank you for your suggest, im appreciated.claude

i forgot...its' curious, you say that , and if i search the actual NPCC last printing project"helheim" i see 824 backers and an overfunded of 274%.What you think about that?

[MagikFingerz]

I get that he didn't want the decks to be delayed, but that is not a good enough reason to change the printer without asking his backers first. If I were a backer, I'd have been happy with waiting a few extra weeks for the product I was promised. And I'd be, like some have already, asking for an immediate refund after reading this update.

That reply to akicer really shows his ignorance about all this. The fact that he refers to NPCC as an upgrade... LOL. And people who keep saying "trust me" just seems increasingly less trustworthy in my eyes.

[Decknowledgy]

His reply:

I EVER LISTEN MY BACKERS AND I CONTINUE TO DO NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

So if some backers not trust in my decisions or not interest to wait the final results i respect and i do everything to accomplished.

But i ask to all of you to trust again in me and wait to have the decks in your hands.

Im not downgrade my project im UPGRADE and all can verify in a couple of weeks, after then im available for listen all answers of my backers.

Thank you for your suggest, im appreciated.claude

i forgot...its' curious, you say that , and if i search the actual NPCC last printing project"helheim" i see 824 backers and an overfunded of 274%.What you think about that?

Before jumping into conclusion, his poor English is definitely misleading. After reading through the full green section, I tend to see that the first line might read "I ALWAYS LISTEN TO MY BACKERS AND I CONTINUE TO DO NOW AND IN THE FUTURE" considering the sections that follow.

But the major problem is his second response (which I marked in yellow). Clearly he knows nothing about NPCC quality and is (mis)judging Helheim's success due to NPCC's printing. WRONG. Helheim is well funded because of it's artwork and designer, not because of the printer. The tone of this yellow section is the true face of his ignorance.

[JuFiN]

This whole making notable changes last minute without telling anyone in order to stay on schedule thing is a troubling trend.

Just take one look at Lotrek and all of his projects and you will know that fan loyalty is gained through delivering WHAT you promised not WHEN you promised.

[Magic Tapp]

This whole making notable changes last minute without telling anyone in order to stay on schedule thing is a troubling trend.

Just take one look at Lotrek and all of his projects and you will know that fan loyalty is gained through delivering WHAT you promised not WHEN you promised.

Cannot agree more. This is getting increasingly troubling and annoying.

Judging by the KS thread, the project creator is digging in his heels and not offering refunds. He also decided not to comment on why that latest update is for backers only.

One would have thought that the inexperienced KS project creators would at least try and learn from others’ mistakes. Shame, real shame...

[Eric Lee]

At the very least, he should have brought up the delay issue to the backers and let us decide if we wanted LPCC and the delay or go with NPCC. I said as much in the comments. The way he mentions it in the update, it does make you wonder if costing became a problem as well, hence the change. Then again, it doesn't help with English being his 2nd language. I'm willing to cut him some slack as he's a 1st timer, but he'll need to learn from this mistake.

[Magic Tapp]

At the very least, he should have brought up the delay issue to the backers and let us decide if we wanted LPCC and the delay or go with NPCC. I said as much in the comments. The way he mentions it in the update, it does make you wonder if costing became a problem as well, hence the change. Then again, it doesn't help with English being his 2nd language. I'm willing to cut him some slack as he's a 1st timer, but he'll need to learn from this mistake.

It definitely does not help that he is less than fluent in English but my bigger issue is that he does not seem to comprehend what we are telling him and is absolutely convinced he is acting in the best interest of his backers.

Given that he barely cleared his funding goal, I am not sure whether he would be successful in his future project given that he appears to be shooting himself in the foot on this one.

[theCapraAegagrus]

Correctly > Quickly

Obviously, if you can accomplish both, then that's great. That takes experience, though. Experience that this creator lacks.

As JuFiN perfectly puts it, a properly-delivered product will grant you dedicated fans. If you quickly deliver an inferior product - you will quickly lose future support.

[NemesisFactoryCards]

Hy Guys, i read just only now this thread. Yes sorry for my English i'm not born in Oxford , but that hurt me read someone write to me and speak about my "ignorance", it's very offensive dear "Decknowledgy" and I'm surprised that no one Moderator intervenes.
Dear "akicer" don't know a reason because you write to me in pm and paste all conversations here, if you want a public answers you can simply post on a public or open a thread here and signal to me.
Guys i' really really disappointed to read some words here....ignorance ..liar..liar for what???i have an email with Lawrence that he excuse for delay caused by a fire and he expose to me the scheduled time required for printed Enuma, so my thinking process are going in direction to respect as possible the scheduled time, with LPCC the scheduled time of end of february are delayed to May and for me it's not acceptable!Maybe for a couple of backers it's better waiting all this time for have a LPCC Enuma Decks, but for me no..sorry for that.
Im beginner? im not have experience, maybe...but i'm not liar, im ever open and available to listen all my backers, and in this forum you know it well, I have confronted with you several times but for me the respect its the foundation of every working and normal relationship.
For me respect mean , deliver what and when i promised, i did not imagine that changed printer can cause this , the problems it's been move only for a member of this Forum, yes at the moment only 3 backers asked to me the possible of refund, i receive over 30 messages from my backers who appreciate the art and cant wait to have the decks in your hands and excited to wait NPCC printed, but I feel compelled to explain my reasons to you even if it was only one backer to ask me.
I want to tell you a story...eight months ago i put my $350 on a project, who collect over 500k delivered time in november 2018 after 4 months, right we are near to march and no one decks i receive, this guys collected over 500k and he take this money blocked for over eight month, but it's top deck!wow it's n1 he CAN! NO for me no it's not acceptable, in my "ignorance( as your member say) if a project ovefunded in this mode my new delivered time became October 2018 with 500k dollars in my account.
But just only few backers write our disappointed , over 5000k people can wait months...years..because it's a TOP 1 decks. so sick!
Im not like this , i'm wrong?probably but i respect my backers and it's unacceptable for me long delays(remember all creators have your money in our account, til final payment)
!i say to akicer and paul (2 of 3 backers ask for refund) that i'm happy to accomplished if it's your intention to not receive my work.
Be sure in my next project I will not make the same mistakes, if for your thinking process this is a mistake.
Magic Tapp, if only 3 backers i repeat, ask to me reasons and refund maybe YES i'm acting in the interest of the backers, but i want act in the interest also of this 3 backers and for this reason i'm here to answer to all questions.
I try to read all your comments, JuFin speak about other creator and your "typical delay", i cant overwaiting for receive a product with scheduled time clearly indicate before funded.
Akicer dont' worry i know i'm not Nikolai im never thinking to compare, i simply answer to you, try to ask to yourself why NIkolai print with NPCC if in your way of thinking the quality of NPCC it's inferior.
which artist chooses on purpose a lower quality for his work? if you can give me a good answer i'm happy to speak about , and if you consider "inferior quality" the projects that i insert in my updates for introduce NPCC, probably we are different type of collector.
Guys the collectors community it's big and various, and no one have the final judgement, so dear Akicer IN YOUR OPINION and in Paul opinion NPCC are lower quality respect LPCC?i respect but i not agree.
You ask my collaboration and you have all my collaborations and availability, but i ask respect for my person!
I dont think i have used bad terms, i'm sorry again for my english, and i repeat without doubts "i ever listen my backers now and in the future", maybe in the next project i can open a poll for listen the backers printed preferences .
Sorry for this long post, i hope to receive all your feedbacks when decks arrived in your hands.
Claude

[theCapraAegagrus]

Hy Guys, i read just only now this thread. Yes sorry for my English i'm not born in Oxford , but that hurt me read someone write to me and speak about my "ignorance", it's very offensive dear "Decknowledgy" and I'm surprised that no one Moderator intervenes.

Jesus Christ, snowflake. Grow up. It's called "criticism" and "truthiness". If you don't like the truth - then change it. Being called "ignorant" is nothing worth intervening for. Now, I'm not a Mod, but I am 100% certain that they will agree with me here.

I'm 30 lbs. overweight. If someone calls me "fat", I'm not gonna cry about it, because it's true. If I didn't love food so much, then I would change it. I'd rather be called "fat" than miss out on pizza every week.

You are choosing to be ignorant of the situation from your backers' perspective. You can choose otherwise, or, remain ignorant.

Nicolai Aaroe is one of a small list of artists who people will support despite printing with NPCC. He uses them out of convenience, mainly. He is also transparent about printing with NPCC from the genesis of his projects. You, on the other hand, advertised one printer, and are delivering an inferior product. Have you considered that some/most backers would not have pledged for your deck if you advertised NPCC from the beginning..? I didn't think so. This all leads back to the truthiness of your ignorance.

[NemesisFactoryCards]

Im critic but i never write "ignorant" to a people , if i call you FAT in dispregiative mode you not happy right?so if i intend ignorant in dispregiative mode...yes i'm disappointed

[theCapraAegagrus]

Im critic but i never write "ignorant" to a people , if i call you FAT in dispregiative mode you not happy right?so if i intend ignorant in dispregiative mode...yes i'm disappointed

I'm technically fat, so, no... I would be happy regardless.

You're allowing emotion to cloud your ignorant judgment. People want the printer that they paid for. Delivering the correct product should take priority over delivery time. If you deliver this product with a different (worse) printer than advertised, you may never have another successful playing card deck funded again.

[NemesisFactoryCards]

Oh I hope no! If 2 3 4 people on 319 not happy to receive my work because printer changed , i make all my effort to try to satisfy these people too, and i hope to see this people in my next project if my offer satisfy your interest you agree?

[NemesisFactoryCards]

just a precisation, if LPCC they would give me the scheduled time that i think acceptable, i dont have any doubt , but i try to make tresure of your advices...correct product its better to correct time,...
but if i dont stay in time how can have correct product?

[akicer]

Dear "akicer" don't know a reason because you write to me in pm and paste all conversations here, if you want a public answers you can simply post on a public or open a thread here and signal to me.

Again I have not posted anything from our PM yet, but only the conversation from the comment section where anyone can see it.

i did not imagine that changed printer can cause this

hmm...

[theCapraAegagrus]

Correct Product > Correct Time

People would rather receive the correct product late rather than the wrong product on-time.

Kickstarter projects are delayed all the time.

[Decknowledgy]

Im critic but i never write "ignorant" to a people , if i call you FAT in dispregiative mode you not happy right?so if i intend ignorant in dispregiative mode...yes i'm disappointed

I'm technically fat, so, no... I would be happy regardless.

You're allowing emotion to cloud your ignorant judgment. People want the printer that they paid for. Delivering the correct product should take priority over delivery time. If you deliver this product with a different (worse) printer than advertised, you may never have another successful playing card deck funded again.

@NemesisFactoryCards

I'm sorry that using "ignorant" hurts your feelings. Give me a chance to clarify: by ignorant I do not mean "big EGO;" by that I mean that in the situation that you're in now, the fact that you feel that changing from LPCC to NPCC is an "upgrade," means that you have more to learn from the playing card business. In terms of quality, NPCC is probably at the bottom of handling quality. I would agree with you if you said that your focus is only on the artwork side, but it does not justify the fact that the backers have pledged for your original plan: LPCC, a better quality and definitely a pricier printer. Today, if you were just producing this deck through retail, no one would have these concerns, but unfortunately it's Kickstarter, and creator do have to oblige to what they've advertised in the beginning.

So if you feel hurtful about me using "ignorant," I'll change the term to a more genuine term: "ill-informed"
I hope this doesn't strike a bad blood with you, for that was totally not my intention.

Cheers,
Decknowledgy

[NemesisFactoryCards]

Thank you for you clarify Decknowledgy, im really appreciated. i respect your thinking, and i happy you understand my focus on my art, yes probably KS required major attention and be sure i never do this mistake in the future, maybe i'm a beginner in production process , but all your words help me for always aim for the best so thanks again.
For clarify again..my "upgrade" it's refer to features offers not about print quality, but simply refers tonumber of metallic inks and foil used respect original project and i increase that number, so in this sense i say upgrade.

[vasta41]

I have purposely not backed many projects that I really liked simply because they were printed by NPCC. And this would have been one of them. Thank you for coming here to face your critics and hopefully you learned from your mistakes. But I would still like a refund so please let me (and anyone else here who wants one too) know when and how that can be accomplished.

[MagikFingerz]

Oh I hope no! If 2 3 4 people on 319 not happy to receive my work because printer changed , i make all my effort to try to satisfy these people too, and i hope to see this people in my next project if my offer satisfy your interest you agree?

You keep saying that only a few backers are upset about the printer change, but how do you know? Would the best course of action not have been to ASK all of them, maybe putting it up for a vote?

I also called you ignorant, because you give the impression that you know best (= better than your backers). I'm sorry to have offended you, but it's just the truth. Like Decknowledgy said, you simply know too little (what I meant by "ignorant") about printer quality (NPCC is not as good as LPCC) or what your backers want (how could you, without asking them?), and you don't seem to be receptive to the idea that you may not have taken the best course of action.

[PrincessTrouble]

I don't know if it'll do anything, but I reported this project to Kickstarter and selected the "misrepresented" reason: "3 months after the campaign ended, the creator changed printers (to an inferior printer) with no input from backers. This is a total misrepresentation since I backed based on the advertised printer. I want a refund for my pledge."

[NemesisFactoryCards]

OMG who decided that is INFERIOR?you have decks in your hands?NO, how you can say INFERIOR PRINTER?my collection made of over 700 decks, and i can say to you that some decks to all people exalted and overfunded in the first day are ever the same design and the poor quality of tuck and cards but all pledged because it's a great name?I know some Swisse and Austrian collectors that hard hating the "made in Taiwan"..but you PrincessTrouble from your pulpit saying and decide before see that the LPCC it's good and NPCC inferior, so in other part or the worlds other collectors (like swisse and austrian my friends) are stupid? , and you report to Kickstarter for what?I respect all features and i increased the features, my supplier changed totally the scheduling time and if i respect the standard quality i can change my supplier for not occur in mistakes.
you talking about misrepresentation? i'm sure if i meet you and give to you 2 cards one NPCC and one LPCC maybe you inverted!How can say that?and you ?How can say my final product its inferior before you have in your hands?
You backed for advertised printer?? Be a real collector mean appreciated the ART first ! I bet that i put a blank card with a single black point but PRINTING BY LPCC you backed right??Omg be serious, if you backed, backed for the art not for the printer, and if great Artist use NPCC maybe NPCC it's a reliable partner, and for me it's this.
Please if you want reported me wherever you want, do it, but don try to forced other people to do that, because any single collector it's different fortunately.
Sorry for that guys, but i'm tired after 2 years of hard work this "character" reported me for misrepresentation..it's a joke?
After this message i stopped to answer in this forum about this my decisions, but i pretend respect for me and for my work because i ever give that to all of you, so if someone need to speak with me can contact directly in my email. Thank you again to all constructive people, and to all people that appreciated and backed my art, i wait your feedback when you receive the decks.claude