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@davegk, your Vandacards logo is beautiful ! Please make one special deck in this style!

Is there an add-on option where backers can add a multiple number of decks if they don't want the full volume but just a selected few?

montenzi wrote:@davegk, your Vandacards logo is beautiful ! Please make one special deck in this style!

Thank you! I'll consider this option...

Decknowledgy wrote:Is there an add-on option where backers can add a multiple number of decks if they don't want the full volume but just a selected few?

You will be able to add on specific individual decks after the campaign through BackerKit.

davegk wrote:

Decknowledgy wrote:Is there an add-on option where backers can add a multiple number of decks if they don't want the full volume but just a selected few?

You will be able to add on specific individual decks after the campaign through BackerKit.

I see there's only this pledge tier for one deck:

Pledge US$ 8 or more
1 Deck
1 deck of your choice from Volume ONE

(subject to availability on a first-come basis through BackerKit after this campaign ends)

What I'm interested to know is how will people pledge for more than one but less than a whole volume?

Decknowledgy wrote:

davegk wrote:

Decknowledgy wrote:Is there an add-on option where backers can add a multiple number of decks if they don't want the full volume but just a selected few?

You will be able to add on specific individual decks after the campaign through BackerKit.

I see there's only this pledge tier for one deck:

Pledge US$ 8 or more
1 Deck
1 deck of your choice from Volume ONE

(subject to availability on a first-come basis through BackerKit after this campaign ends)

What I'm interested to know is how will people pledge for more than one but less than a whole volume?

You can back that 1 deck tier and then add on specific other decks after the campaign if you'd like, although the price point for the mixed brick is designed to be enticing enough that it makes much more sense than buying 4 or 5 specific decks. This is for logistical reasons, both in terms of print quantities and order fulfillment.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question but the tier to buy both volumes of decks includes "3 free months subscription;" what happens if we don't continue the subscription? Do we still get the decks but lose access to the community?

I'm not interested in cardistry (I don't have the hands for it!) but I'm loving the designs.

Timmargh wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question but the tier to buy both volumes of decks includes "3 free months subscription;" what happens if we don't continue the subscription? Do we still get the decks but lose access to the community?

I'm not interested in cardistry (I don't have the hands for it!) but I'm loving the designs.

The tier is essentially prepaying for a 1 year subscription at a kickstarter-offered discount which is equivalent to 3 free months. If you back the tier you will get all 12 decks in volume 2 and then have the option to renew your subscription for volume 3. If you opt to not renew, you will no longer receive a deck each month and you may lose access to content and other perks of being part of the club (we're still working on the details of some of this and it will depend somewhat on how many people sign up as subscribers).

I am not a cardist so this is not for me but I wish you luck with the campaign.

Magic Tapp wrote:I am not a cardist so this is not for me but I wish you luck with the campaign.

Even though these decks are designed with cardistry in mind, I still wanted many/most of them to also appeal to collectors and non-cardistry folks. There is a good mix of decks that are usable for gameplay with traditional values and design elements along with decks that are purely cool visual designs. Also, I think future decks will most likely lean towards incorporating traditional face values indexes.

NOW LIVE on Kickstarter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/go ... r-cardistr

After Planets this seems like a big step down imo and like you are trying to cash in on the cardistry fad. Most of these look like something Bocopo would do. Pass for me.

After thinking seriously about backing this, I just cant. As good as a few of the decks look, they arent the type of cards I go for, and im not a fan of paying lump sums for subscriptions.

jerichoholic wrote:After Planets this seems like a big step down imo and like you are trying to cash in on the cardistry fad. Most of these look like something Bocopo would do. Pass for me.

Some of these deck designs have been in progress since long before The Planets was even a concept...you can find photos of the Ren deck on the Vanda instagram account from a while back.

Keep in mind that Volume 1 is a mix of decks specifically for cardistry and also decks that would appeal to non-cardistry folks and if you don't want the entire set of even the subscription, you can back for a single deck and then add on any specific decks a la carte through BackerKit after the campaign ends.

macstrat wrote:After thinking seriously about backing this, I just cant. As good as a few of the decks look, they arent the type of cards I go for, and im not a fan of paying lump sums for subscriptions.

See my previous comment...you have the option of just backing the single deck tier and then only purchasing the specific decks that you're interested in.

davegk wrote:

macstrat wrote:After thinking seriously about backing this, I just cant. As good as a few of the decks look, they arent the type of cards I go for, and im not a fan of paying lump sums for subscriptions.

See my previous comment...you have the option of just backing the single deck tier and then only purchasing the specific decks that you're interested in.

After consideration I am definitely in for Vol. I, Im hesitant about pledging for Vol. II without seeing designs.

I can't help but feel these might do better if fewer of the backs were just black and white The fronts are all different, which is awesome, but it may not be enough

Also wondering whether going one year at a time might be better - I'm extremely hesitant to back projects without seeing the art and I'm only in for both years because this is a very cool concept

Funding is actually less than last time I checked, so it's not going that well. Maybe this is just one of those things that doesn't do well on Kickstarter? It's a lot of money to put down all at once.

I think this needs to be said, and I say it with all due respect: Many of these decks are just not very good "cardistry" decks. Two of the most fundamental maneuvers, packet cuts and fans, will be completely bland with some of these back designs. I hate it when people use computer renderings of circular fans that have no basis in reality as to how actual fans are executed and will actually look. At the very least a good cardistry deck should be twin tipped on both fronts and backs, and none of these have that from what I can tell from what's shown. There are no design accommodations for spins/pirouettes on most of these decks. What I do see is the perpetuation of the stereotypical abstract geometrical back design with minimalistic courts being passed off as cardistry decks. This is a dumbing down of what cardistry decks should be, where true artistic design should be melded within fundamental cardistry design rules with aesthetic court cards on par with the best custom decks these days.

I don't want to come off too harshly on this project, and I do appreciate that Vanda is at least trying to promote cardistry in some fashion. But I just wish a project as ambitious as this could be a vehicle to elevate the art of cardistry decks instead of propagating the lowest common denominator of what is the current low artistic standards of cardistry decks.

sinjin7 wrote:I hate it when people use computer renderings of circular fans that have no basis in reality as to how actual fans are executed and will actually look.

I have issues with these renders too; none of those circular renders are realistically possibly by the human hand. Why don't people just simply render them with thumb fans? That's why so many decks suck already before being produced, because the angles are all off when the final production is handled in real life.

Well, clearly this campaign hasn't gotten the traction I was hoping for...I'm going to halt it soon and make some changes to the plan.

Based on the feedback I've received, I agree that the designs could use some revision/rethinking and the structure of the campaign was just too ambitious as an initial approach of this concept. I'm currently working on adjusting the strategy and I think it may make sense to start with a single deck design and build from there...

So I'm curious, of the 12 designs on the Kickstarter campaign, what are your top 3 choices for a cardistry deck and why? And also, what would you change about them (if anything)?

@Sinjin: thank you for the detailed feedback. I'm playing with some new ideas now, including the attached design—curious what you think...

Thanks,
David

davegk wrote:Well, clearly this campaign hasn't gotten the traction I was hoping for...I'm going to halt it soon and make some changes to the plan.

Based on the feedback I've received, I agree that the designs could use some revision/rethinking and the structure of the campaign was just too ambitious as an initial approach of this concept. I'm currently working on adjusting the strategy and I think it may make sense to start with a single deck design and build from there...

So I'm curious, of the 12 designs on the Kickstarter campaign, what are your top 3 choices for a cardistry deck and why? And also, what would you change about them (if anything)?

@Sinjin: thank you for the detailed feedback. I'm playing with some new ideas now, including the attached design—curious what you think...

Thanks,
David

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That's pretty cool, but is it possible for there to be some kind of compromise between having intricate and artsy design that also works for cardistry? Instead of ones that just look good in fans?

Top 3 for me is Cambio, Urchin (though I'd like it better with color), and maybe Bills. In that order.

That new one looks good, but I'm not a fan of the color scheme. Might work well with more stained glass-esque colors.

chicken_ql wrote:
That's pretty cool, but is it possible for there to be some kind of compromise between having intricate and artsy design that also works for cardistry? Instead of ones that just look good in fans?

How about some simple but tasteful details, like this...?

davegk wrote:

chicken_ql wrote:
That's pretty cool, but is it possible for there to be some kind of compromise between having intricate and artsy design that also works for cardistry? Instead of ones that just look good in fans?

How about some simple but tasteful details, like this...?

That's alot nicer! Be nice if you could fill in some of the color gaps with something. Like those big chunks of silver and gold. Maybe you can try adding some more patterns? Also is that colouring from metallic ink or cold foil or something?

davegk wrote:Well, clearly this campaign hasn't gotten the traction I was hoping for...I'm going to halt it soon and make some changes to the plan.

Based on the feedback I've received, I agree that the designs could use some revision/rethinking and the structure of the campaign was just too ambitious as an initial approach of this concept. I'm currently working on adjusting the strategy and I think it may make sense to start with a single deck design and build from there...

So I'm curious, of the 12 designs on the Kickstarter campaign, what are your top 3 choices for a cardistry deck and why? And also, what would you change about them (if anything)?

Spectrum, Cube, and Puzzle are my favorites I think the back designs need more color variety for sure - and yes, adding details to add to the designs helps a lot! Maybe a year at a time, too, would be better - especially when you're buying twelve decks sight unseen The courts for Squares and Bills are also very very cool IMO

I think a nice touch would be a running, cohesive design along the sides of the decks - as another month came in you could line all the decks up and the design would continue! No idea how this would actually work

Hey David, I like the new design you presented here. I prefer the first version because the changes in the second version dilute the bold black lines that separate the color-blocking and leans the back design towards being a bit busy. I also don't like the color scheme, it looks like a rip off of the SS2016 Virtuoso deck, and I didn't like the low energy yellow and gray color scheme on that deck, either. I'd like to see more vibrant colors that don't get lost and muddled in motion, possibly colors that would lend themselves to a foiled application for and exclusive deck. Please put at least as much effort into the court cards as well, for god's sake do not go with minimalist courts. I'd rather see slightly modified standard courts than minimalist effort courts. Also, thank you for being open to feedback.

Well, you can clearly see the difficulties of designing by committee

The good thing about this project is that there is room for plenty of creative freedom and each deck in the series can be optimized for a different aspect of cardistry and/or appeal to preferences of different groups of people.

Here's another color combo I was playing with...

Also, FWIW, modified standard courts are way less effort than minimalistic stylized courts :p

From the 12 designs I found nothing really appealing. “Cubes” is a good design. I don’t know if the idea for “Circles” came after or before anyone released their “Headlong into Eternety” deck.
I think you shouldn’t focus on borderless designs that much aswell. They are just good for fans but packet cuts look almost always better with bordered cards. If you wanna pick up the subscription model in the future, definetly make it a minimum of 50/50 ratio, between bordered and borderless designs.

For comparison, here's a bolder coloration of the more details version...