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Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:06 pm

vasta41 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:29 pm I was going to be completely out on this but that's not a bad price.

$20.48 for a standard (aka no bells and whistles) deck of cards is a good price? Did I miss something about this deck?

it should have holographic foil on the box

I had a very long and interesting chat with redblackinc on Instagram. Nice guy.

Conturbia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:24 am...it should have holographic foil on the box

You're absolutely right. My bad. I forgot about the feature that was overused pre-pandemic already and which costs how many cents extra again at Legends?

Tuck also embossed - which I imagine does add some significant cost

Hmm for some reason I thought the card backs would have cold foil, which would make the $20.48 price point a lot better. However now that I reread the description it looks like there won't be any foil on the cards. The art is still pretty nice though (in my opinion), so I'd be willing to pay the 20 bucks for that deck. However, the $9 shipping on top of that for just one deck makes it pretty hard to justify the purchase. Does anyone know if some of these decks will eventually make it onto PenguinMagic? Doesn't seem like penguin stocked any of the BLRD decks from their last release.

This might be slightly off-topic from playing cards discussion - but I show it since we are discussing on the usage of AI artworks on playing cards.
In the art community, there is a huge arguement about AI artwork. It is all started when ArtStation, a social platform where professionals share their creations - allowed AI generated artworks to roam free in their website, and allowed people who called themselves AI technicians. As we all know, the way AI artwork works is that computers will browse through images based on the prompts we type and merged them together to form an artwork. The browsing phase is where computers will look through artworks that many artists have worked so hard for, and the computers simply just take them for granted (in other words: usage without consent and loyalty fee, a.k.a. stealing). Every known artists start campaigning against AI artworks, posting this image (and/or make their own variety) as a form of protests.

Food for though:
Imagine how AI artworks would eventually ruin the big names in the community - ordinary people simply create playing cards with the typing of words, and those AI artworks potentially will involved stealing some of the big designer's works. While it is a developing tech, do you think AI artwork shouldn't have a place in the card community?

currently my stance is if i like the design, i get it. i would be willing to bet that curating a set of AI images that all go together like the recent AI decks probably takes more time an effort than many decks out there that just design a card back and use standard courts. they definitely take more time than any shit cut and paste Fontaine or same Fontaine back recolor. Anyone types their name on a card back throws on standard courts and calls it good, they may put a couple shapes on there. OPC throws a banana clipart on a card back and pastes bananas in the hands of standard courts and ships it. i could go on about many of the absolute no effort, shit decks out there that people mortgage their houses to buy loads of.

i also think you are probably being hyperbolic saying that anyone can just generate some images and make a successful playing card deck. Even i have to admit that even the ass designs of fontaine, anyone, OPC, etc probably arent the main amount of work in developing sales or a brand in this hobby and community. Anyone can already go to MPC and easily makes decks of cards. AI images arent the problem in playing cards. i do not see AI images ever "ruining'' the likes of Gio, Lorenzo, JR, Lotrek, etc.

i can understand artists concerns over their images possibly being used as a reference of many to create and AI work but i do not think they are ever going to replace human artists especially high end artists. All you can do with AI is print it on something as far as i know AI isnt generating pieces with oil and canvas, water color, hand inks or the many other mediums that people pay the top dollar. those kind of buyers are still going to buy high dollar handcrafted works. people who buy prints are still going to buy prints.

Plenty of industries that are going to have to deal with this - as far as ours goes, I think AI done cards are a niche category, as long as we always know what was AI done, therefore knowing the artists that do the work and being able to tell them from AI ones (which may not be easy, as they could have AI generated profiles and histories for things like Kickstarter newbies) will be a thing

A labeling law that requires them to be labeled as AI generated would be ideal, what I wonder is if it can always be detected and how it will be enforced.

I imagine it will get wrapped up with some other publishing laws and general AI laws in a few years regardless

Then a few good years before the robots attack

I'd love to see Playing Arts make an AI-generated collective art project deck, where each card is different, submitted by different digital artists using DALL-E 2, Midjourney, or whatever other AI software is out there.

The main reason why I actually bought Singularity and Taipestry was to see how the 1st decks look like using AI. If it wasn't for that, I would have been very disappointed with the Singularity deck. The art was very flat IMHO for the price I paid for it. It just didn't grab me despite a few cool images and ideas they had.

It's like looking at a 1st yr design students' coursework. (It's something I've got experience with as I work in a college that has an art and design school. Students get to display their work at the gallery outside the faculty office)

BUT, AI is meant to learn and improve. It'll be very interesting to see in 2 years and 5 years time; the same AI do a deck with a similar theme to see how it has improved.

Eric Lee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:02 am The main reason why I actually bought Singularity and Taipestry was to see how the 1st decks look like using AI. If it wasn't for that, I would have been very disappointed with the Singularity deck. The art was very flat IMHO for the price I paid for it. It just didn't grab me despite a few cool images and ideas they had.

Same. I was underwhelmed by the Singularity deck.

Artists use procreate, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop or alike for years now. A lot of art you already see online wouldn't be possible without these programs. Now it's just automated. Nothing has changed. This whole AI discussion is, as so often when it comes to debates, just hot air and deception.

Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:52 pm Artists use procreate, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop or alike for years now. A lot of art you already see online wouldn't be possible without these programs. Now it's just automated. Nothing has changed. This whole AI discussion is, as so often when it comes to debates, just hot air and deception.

It's obviously quite different. At least with Photoshop and the like the artist is using some agency to create the art. Using the "AI" apps, especially in cases like with the recent Tapestry deck, often involves virtually no work being done by the "creator". They are devoid of any communicated message or emotion.

That's not the point of what I wrote.
In regards to your post it's not that quite different. People use tools to create art. One tool is more advanced in regards to streamlining the process and other tools give you more room to interfere. Both, as always, come with ups and downs. It doesn't matter what tool you use, it does matter what you create.

This deck is on sale for $10.24 at https://redblackinc.com/collections/col ... ying-cards

Jeez $11 shipping for 1 deck, so much for that purchase