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kevork wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:32 pm That'll be 5am for me. Hopefully I'll be a first 100 backer when I wake up

shunterino wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:21 am So I had my eye on these, art looks good (although the Limited is so much better than the standard I'm not sure it was worth making this two decks) but as usual the shipping is just way too much for me to even be on the fence. £10 for one deck from a UK designer when I'm in the UK is just... I realise there are logisitics and fees and fulfullment may not be in the same country as the design team, but a little more effort to bring down shipping costs would go a long way. Basically, if it fulfills and gets into shops/websites it will be much cheaper for me to pick it up then even after the markup.

$23k also seems a little high, but hope you get there.

kevork wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:30 am While I'm not familiar with Macbeth at all, I backed the limited edition of this deck because I want to support the producer and the artists behind the campaign. We've seen this campaign develop over many months with community involvement and feedback each step of the way. That has value to me.

Evilgamer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:45 am Im really not sure what changes will reach success. I thought you had done a pretty good job getting the word out.

for a first time producer with inexpensive decks, the funding goal was a bit high.

deciding both the stock to be used and metallic inks to stretch goals...things that people would either want, or want to know is going to put a lot of people off or fence sitting.

The deck is the art that is is, its either going to grab people or its not.

Also keep in mind there is a fairly big ks going up the 30th with penguin and Stockholm 17. Not sure if campaigns can compete but…

Definitely remove all of the errors in shipping and costs.

• Reduce funding goal

• Reduce stretch goals

kevork wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:51 am The campaign shouldn't be rushed into a relaunch. You'd probably be better off shifting the campaign to be one deck for starters.

We need some high school English teachers to get a whiff of this deck.

brownsl wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:52 am Personally, all the white space on the court cards does not appeal to me.

shunterino wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:20 am $22k is a very high target for a first time deck. That has nothing to do with the value of what you're offering, it just means 22k is too high full stop, so cut your cloth accoridingly. If you can't offer those decks for less, change what you're offering. A reasonable first time effort would be in the 6-12k region. Look at other decks of a similar standing to get a better idea of what is a reasonable target (fellow UK card designers Squiddle Ink and Beyond Playing Cards would be good examples).

One deck that's as impressive as possible is better than all the extras and bells and whistles.You're trying to do it all, and yes there are decks that do manage all of that and pull in half a million but they are established, have multiple tiers and a tuck box that turns into a dragon.

Shipping was too expensive. Not just the add ons, the basic. If that was the best price you could get, you should shop around more. And for god's sake have some decks sent to you in the UK and send those out to UK funders yourselves. There won't be that many and you can just send them from the post office for a fraction of the price (assuming Royal Mail survive their latest scandal).

There's nothing wrong with the deck itself but you put yourself in the big boy bracket that is highly unlikely to succeed unless you're actually oe of the big boys. It's got nothing to do with launching on a Friday. Yes, there have been some KS decks that have just caught the fancy of the public, but you can't assume that will happen or rely on it.

Of course I could be way off and you will be that one in a million when you relaunch with no changes. Good luck to you either way.

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:30 am Look at cumpsty latest campaign (commoners v2) - the decks are high cost, which is not my suggestion, and printed by cartamundi spain which is also not suggested at the moment, but what he is trying to accomplish is apparent

it is obviously to produce store inventory - while having fans assist by getting the first decks and making sure the decks happen (those prices are pretty standard for the way he sells on his website)

there is no attempt to grab the masses, allowing for a small audience to launch it, and a large audience now or later to get it.

To manage this without the barrier high price I would go with MPC, have all the expensive print options be at “goal” levels and let it rip. gives it a higher chance of getting printed, a chance of getting printed with fancy options, and you can always print more if its “unlimited” at mpc for later supply to meet any demand

gets the decks and the fanbase going without needing to have a major enterprise behind it

not that its a get rich scheme - but it has as much chance to grow big as anything else and has a lower cost of entry

Oh, and of course marketing - which I suck at, hence it being mentioned as an afterthought (though it is purty big deal…)

brownsl wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:53 am I do appreciate your engagement with the UC community!

RandyButterfield wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:03 pm and none of them are Playing Card collectors.

RandyButterfield wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:03 pm I’ve been curiously watching this design, wondering how well it would do on Kickstarter. Last year I did a Tudor Dynasty design that didn’t do well at all (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ra ... =user_menu). Sure, some of the reasons could have been the one-way design and the art, but I believe the main reason is it’s a theme that appeals more to women (a Shakespeare theme would as well, I think). From what I have noticed through 10+ years of Kickstarter experience is that most Backers for Playing Cards are men. Just look at the men to women ratio on UC!

I’ve had around 10 shows since the House of Tudor Decks arrived, and have already sold more Tudor Decks at shows than I sold on Kickstarter. And most of the Tudor buyers at shows are women, and none of them are Playing Card collectors.

I would definitely recommend switching to a printer like Legends or WJPC. I’ve used Legends for many years. They’re great to work with and the quality level is high and consistent. I would also recommend switching to just one Deck, the fancier full-color version.

Thanks, Randy