bdawg923 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 05, 2025 8:37 am
I think this is one of the biggest scams the guy in charge pulled on people. Convincing them he's some genius businessman who knows what he's doing, how he's some master negotiator who is playing 4D chess. All of this starts to make sense when you realize he is an idiot who *doesn't* know what he's doing and he thinks he's always right. He's a narcissist and an egomaniac who can't be told he's wrong. He's incapable of admitting he made a mistake. He's been telling people for years that other countries pay the tariffs he's putting on them. Like what? This is just at odds with reality. Either he doesn't understand how a tariff works (absolute idiot) or he's lying to everyone (also pretty bad). This is the dude who bankrupted 6 businesses, some of which were casinos. Do you know how absolutely stupid you have to be to bankrupt a casino? Casinos print money. There is no plan. If you think Scott Bessent is going to stop this, then I got bad news for you https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbc-hos ... exit-door/ The only way these tariffs go away is if Congress reasserts their power and votes them down. Until then it's the new normal. Businesses will suffer. They will go out of business. I hope more producers stay in business and use USPCC to print cards, but it's just not feasible with the amount of minimum decks they require for an order. Most producers are using WJPC and Legends to print cards nowadays. Either they have to switch to USPCC soon or they'll have to raise their prices by like 50% to cover these new taxes.
I think that most people have known for a long time he is both stupid and a blatant liar.
JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 05, 2025 11:16 am
Tds is real. It's hilarious, oh please don't say retard, not a hard R...but call people stupid and whatever else you agree to in your fantasy land.
Honestly the thing that I find most off-putting about US politics right now is the factionalism and the purity tests on issues' that come with them. I didnt vote for either major party candidate in this election because I didn't think either was a good choice. Do I agree with Trump on some of his goals here (stronger dollar, stronger industrial base?) absolutely do I think he's going about it in the most productive way? not by a long shot. its not just the card market, think about iPhones and tvs and how a 54% increase in wholesale cost is going to affect those things.
TDS is trump derangement syndrome, usually used to denote someone who disagrees with anything Trump says or does solely because he said or did it not based on the merits of the thing/idea or if they would be ok with it if someone else said it.
TDS is trump derangement syndrome, usually used to denote someone who disagrees with anything Trump says or does solely because he said or did it not based on the merits of the thing/idea or if they would be ok with it if someone else said it.
Thanks.
Just to be clear to everyone: if, for example, my favourite actor or musician started to openly mock disabled people then I would cease to support them immediately.
I know it’s a bad time, a heated topic, etc - but we still aren’t going to argue about it here without limits on how we treat each other as individuals.
The reason we don’t have politics as a topic is the same reason we don’t talk about it at thanksgiving.
Timmargh wrote: ↑Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:30 pm
Just to be clear to everyone: if, for example, my favourite actor or musician started to openly mock disabled people then I would cease to support them immediately.
I often make binary decisions on things I find black and white as well - and thats the way I prefer it - simple.
Other things get more complicated - politics being one of them - as both sides tend to misbehave so badly. It being a giant thing leveraged to confuse and divide us probably doesn’t help.
I doubt anyone here thinks I like Trump - but I’ll be damned if its going to be uncomfortable here for someone who does.
When democrats or other people are pro tarriff then It's a good thing or at least not a disaster of these proportions? It is supposed to go into effect Apr 9th. As a disclaimer I did not vote Trump but I choose to see what materializes from it instead of joining the msm army. The whole system reeks of corruption but the way to get ahead of it is to educate yourself instead of going down to a Tesla dealership or other forms of radicalization. CNN is not news and Fox isn't your friend. If you are looking for liars to manipulate you then those outlets are a good start. Nobody wants higher taxes. If you want open insults of disabled people then check out "Hot Wheels". Do people talk about that? I'd rather not talk about politics because it's a long road filled with misinformation and hate from all angles. Stick to talking about cards because people here (including myself) aren't qualified to dissect geopolitics. It adds another layer of arguing that is not necessary.
I think the tariffs are a pretty big gamble that is unlikely to pay off on its face.
Likely it will back off as it hits pocketbooks too hard and changes popularity polls and whatever token negotiations on old barriers can be taken will be taken and claimed as the intended target.
It will take years if not decades for the positive outcome (assuming one is possible) and I doubt people have the stomach required to swallow the cost for that long.
The damage done to our global reputation, and to the global economy - that is another matter entirely…
I am going to leave my thoughts there, as the line between discussing tariffs and politics is too thin for me to dance on.
It is a bit messy to make bold statements and then shut down. I don't disagree with everything said or the entirety of possible sentiments behind it. My simple thought is that they can't tarriff each other into oblivion and so something else is happening. We will know more as the stories unfold. Hopefully this discussion stays closer to real time results of tarrifs in the card world and not theory of outcome, world diplomacy or slander.
Dplay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 10:54 pm
But I do want to point out that there is probably a plan behind all of it.
I think this is one of the biggest scams the guy in charge pulled on people. Convincing them he's some genius businessman who knows what he's doing, how he's some master negotiator who is playing 4D chess. All of this starts to make sense when you realize he is an idiot who *doesn't* know what he's doing and he thinks he's always right. He's a narcissist and an egomaniac who can't be told he's wrong. He's incapable of admitting he made a mistake. He's been telling people for years that other countries pay the tariffs he's putting on them. Like what? This is just at odds with reality. Either he doesn't understand how a tariff works (absolute idiot) or he's lying to everyone (also pretty bad). This is the dude who bankrupted 6 businesses, some of which were casinos. Do you know how absolutely stupid you have to be to bankrupt a casino? Casinos print money. There is no plan. If you think Scott Bessent is going to stop this, then I got bad news for you https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbc-hos ... exit-door/ The only way these tariffs go away is if Congress reasserts their power and votes them down. Until then it's the new normal. Businesses will suffer. They will go out of business. I hope more producers stay in business and use USPCC to print cards, but it's just not feasible with the amount of minimum decks they require for an order. Most producers are using WJPC and Legends to print cards nowadays. Either they have to switch to USPCC soon or they'll have to raise their prices by like 50% to cover these new taxes.
Way to miss the point. I get it's an emotional topic, especially so if you live in America, but that's essentially irrelevant (to this discussion). I never said I thought he was a master negotiator, I don't think his personality matters much aside from the credibility it gives to chaos, I never once mentioned that I think Bessent will stop it and whether or not he is a narcissist is really of no concern to me whatsoever. I simply said that others who are now in his circle have sketched out plans that involve tariff chaos as negotiation leverage. Whether Trump supports it because of these plans, whether he uses them and the associated people to defend himself, whether he simply doesn't have a clue, noone really knows. I simply wouldn't be surprised if we were to see quite a bit of changes in this area over the course of a couple months.
Messy, but for the best. Soon I would have been on to my feelings on military action against greenland.
As for my thoughts on how tariff situation will end, I stand by that - and it was as on topic and apolitical as I could muster, including the part about global effect.
Haha fair enough. That would have been a wild mess. Being a good mod would be avoiding irrelevant opinions like those. You passed the test
Edit to your Edit; to me it seems more like opinion than relevant to topic but I was talking about the discussion in general moreover than to what you were saying.
MOD NOTE: Let's try to keep this thread about the new tariffs with as little political commentary as possible, all -- usually I'd want to just nuke this entire topic but the potential effects on card collecting as a hobby are unavoidable. I of course have my own opinions but I try to keep them at bay here on UC: there's the entire rest of the internet if you want to debate politics.
I'll edit posts after this one to delete anything not directly and exclusively about tariffs. I understand the tariffs and politics are directly intertwined, but let's all help keep UC card-focused please.
(I am removing an instance of the word "retard", which is not allowed here)
bdawg923 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 06, 2025 3:32 pm
My comment didn't break any rules and wasn't political. I said I agreed with someone lmao calm down dude
No one broke any rules, I'm just trying to keep this thread on topic. Referencing a deleted comment only invites speculation and more off-topic discussion. This isn't a "no politics" thread, it's a tariffs thread. The Thunderdome is right there.
Back on topic related to cards, I never felt WJPC will be a sufficient replacement to Cartamundi anyway. If this is not USPCC's time to take spotlight and up it's game, I don't know what is.
Disenchanted_11 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 4:30 pm
Back on topic related to cards, I never felt WJPC will be a sufficient replacement to Cartamundi anyway. If this is not USPCC's time to take spotlight and up it's game, I don't know what is.
[... --hsbc] I sure wish things didn't go bust with Cartamundi because along with USPCC, they were also top tier for me.
Didn't realize how quickly this topic got political, but there's always the Thunderdome thread for those things. Sorry, Mods for keeping you all so busy and big thank you for keeping things in check.
I wonder how JR is handling this and with the latest increase to 104%! He's got 2 KS projects that's still in China and his Sushi project is finishing in less than 3 days time. He may be able to delay Sushi to see how things go, but not sure if he wants to keep the fulfillment deadline for Robin Hood. It would make business sense to delay shipping to US as well until some agreement is reached.
I really feel for those producers who have their KS projects arriving this week from China. That's really going to be a nightmare to handle.
Eric Lee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:46 pm
Didn't realize how quickly this topic got political, but there's always the Thunderdome thread for those things. Sorry, Mods for keeping you all so busy and big thank you for keeping things in check.
I wonder how JR is handling this and with the latest increase to 104%! He's got at least 2 KS projects that's still in China and his Sushi project is finishing in less than 3 days time. He may be able to delay Sushi to see how things go, but not sure if he wants to keep the fulfillment deadlines for Slate and Robin Hood. It would make business sense to delay shipping to US as well until some agreement is reached.
I really feel for those producers who have their KS projects arriving this week from China. That's really going to be a nightmare to handle.
Slate would be unaffected cuz it's uspcc though.
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I have one KS I supported that is expecting their decks to arrive from Expert this week - I think it makes a big difference if they arrive today as opposed to tomorrow
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Honeybee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 1:39 am
I have one KS I supported that is expecting their decks to arrive from Expert this week - I think it makes a big difference if they arrive today as opposed to tomorrow
Seems very inefficient to create the cards in Taiwan and then ship them to America to then fulfill to Australia.
Honeybee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 1:39 am
I have one KS I supported that is expecting their decks to arrive from Expert this week - I think it makes a big difference if they arrive today as opposed to tomorrow
Seems very inefficient to create the cards in Taiwan and then ship them to America to then fulfill to Australia.
True but it is the norm. There has to be an opening for a trusted fulfillment company in Asia and then American designers do not need to pay the tariff on those decks not bought by Americans
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