TGW presents The Beetlebacks designed by Widakk

[PiazzaDelivery]

Yeah should be out for everyone

Ok well that's a tad worrisome. Completionist plus a couple add-ons and I've yet to receive anything. Ima hit up Omar if I haven't received anything in the next couple days.

Hi. Send me an email to info@thegentlemanwake.com

Make sure you are signing on with the correct email. Check spam folders too!

All good, I received a Reminder e-mail this morning. Didn't get the original, but got the back-up Thanks anyway, Omar!

[TheGentlemanWake]

Just a reminder that ALL SURVEYS have gone out. If you haven't received it please double check your spam folders and other email addresses. And if you still don't see it please contact me at infor@thegentlemanwake.com

Thanks!

[TheGentlemanWake]

WJPC finally gave me a produciton update. Decks are slotted to be printed on the 18 of October. Tucks are ready to go.

[JazzBaloo]

They look great and... so many. Congratulations, you must be ecstatic. What is the next project in line?

[kevork]

Welcome to Tuck City

[Evilgamer]

that's a lot of black tucks.

[mulrich]

And comparatively fewer purple and gold. I think they announce how many of each will be sold but it's different seeing the tucks like this.

[TheGentlemanWake]

Decks are finished and en route to gamblers via freight. Still eyeing January for fulfillment. As originally thought. If you are a member of the TGW discord there’s videos of each deck being unboxed. They look spectacular.

Also note that all versions have all features unlocked. Meaning I paid for the inclusion of the holo faces on the prism deck out of pocket despite not reaching the stretch goal.

[Evilgamer]

Decks are finished and en route to gamblers via freight. Still eyeing January for fulfillment. As originally thought. If you are a member of the TGW discord there’s videos of each deck being unboxed. They look spectacular.

Also note that all versions have all features unlocked. Meaning I paid for the inclusion of the holo faces on the prism deck out of pocket despite not reaching the stretch goal.

Im going to mark this one under faith rewarded since I picked up a prism on the post-campaign site.

[Disenchanted_11]

I was okay with people allegedly getting giveaways of this deck from WJPC, however that works -- that is not my concern as long as I will receive mine.

But then WJPC shipped the freight to the wrong address, and we will probably get another 1-2 months delay (probably more) in getting this sorted out. One could wonder how come The Goldsmith was shipped without this issue from WJPC, but then come Beetlebacks, just the same client, will get shipment to his house. :facepalm:

[hsbc]

But then WJPC shipped the freight to the wrong address, and we will probably get another 1-2 months delay (probably more) in getting this sorted out. One could wonder how come The Goldsmith was shipped without this issue from WJPC, but then come Beetlebacks, just the same client, will get shipment to his house. :facepalm:

Update from 3 days ago:

We've encountered a few inconveniences. For one thing, due to a mix up with WJPC the decks were shipped to my HOME rather than Gambler's Warehouse. I currently have 55 boxes of Beetle Backs in my dining room. This is less than ideal. Additionally JC of Studio Pression was recently ill and the brick boxes were not ready until recently. They are currently one the way to me so that I can pack and cellophane the bricks. I'm still trying to ascertain whether I will fulfill the decks myself or ship them to Gambler's Warehouse for a non insignificant amount of money.

The good news: The decks are in MY POSSESSION. Which means they will be in yours shortly. I will update again when I have more info. Secondly, the decks look spectacular and I can't wait for everyone to get them. ANd the brick boxes look spectacular too!

Trust that no one wants this project to be completed more than I do. I have 2 deck projects on HOLD until this is finished so It's affecting my business immensely. Have faith and patience please. Thank you so much.

[Swiski66]

Cool! When can I buy a deck or two after Kickstarter fulfillment?

[felicityk]

I'm not going to pretend I have the slightest grasp on the complexities of production and shipping on a global scale (never mind the new wrenches that have been thrown in the gears). I know the market also took a huge hit when Cartamundi exited. But the screw-ups by WJPC have reached a level that I hope creators as a group can draw the line against.

I'm only seeing what S17 and TGW have, justifiably, made public. I'm sure it's 100x worse than I know.

[Evilgamer]

I'm not going to pretend I have the slightest grasp on the complexities of production and shipping on a global scale (never mind the new wrenches that have been thrown in the gears). I know the market also took a huge hit when Cartamundi exited. But the screw-ups by WJPC have reached a level that I hope creators as a group can draw the line against.

I'm only seeing what S17 and TGW have, justifiably, made public. I'm sure it's 100x worse than I know.

Not a lot of great alternatives for fully foiled decks. You have kingstar….who just declared bankruptcy for their printing business and then restarted a different company under the same name.

Room one is getting there but the foiled decks I have so far aren’t quite to wjpc levels

[felicityk]

Not a lot of great alternatives for fully foiled decks. You have kingstar….who just declared bankruptcy for their printing business and then restarted a different company under the same name.

Room one is getting there but the foiled decks I have so far aren’t quite to wjpc levels

If that's what sells, I guess that's a big piece of it. Personally, while I expect some foil accents on a premium deck, full foil is not necessary for my enjoyment (and it detracts when it causes problems).

I'm not complaining for my own sake. I genuinely say this on behalf of the creators. I want them to get the product they paid for, as they specified, without wringing all the pleasure out of creating such that they give up. If I get the decks months (or years) later than expected, I accept that risk. But even I am leaning away from KS and thinking I'll wait until after fulfillment on future projects.

[Adamthinks]

I'm not going to pretend I have the slightest grasp on the complexities of production and shipping on a global scale (never mind the new wrenches that have been thrown in the gears). I know the market also took a huge hit when Cartamundi exited. But the screw-ups by WJPC have reached a level that I hope creators as a group can draw the line against.

I'm only seeing what S17 and TGW have, justifiably, made public. I'm sure it's 100x worse than I know.

Not a lot of great alternatives for fully foiled decks. You have kingstar….who just declared bankruptcy for their printing business and then restarted a different company under the same name.

Room one is getting there but the foiled decks I have so far aren’t quite to wjpc levels

Legends is still out there, but yeah, the options are slim. The company that Kings Wild has been printing with has gotten much better, but I don't think I've seen anyone else use them. I bought a couple Room One decks to try them out, and didn't love the look and feel, but they'll hopefully improve over time. WJPC is the best option right now in terms of printing quality, depending on the stock chosen, but organizationally they seem very frustrating to deal with and either disorganized on that side or aloof, perhaps both.

[Evilgamer]

Legends is still out there, but yeah, the options are slim. The company that Kings Wild has been printing with has gotten much better, but I don't think I've seen anyone else use them. I bought a couple Room One decks to try them out, and didn't love the look and feel, but they'll hopefully improve over time. WJPC is the best option right now in terms of printing quality, depending on the stock chosen, but organizationally they seem very frustrating to deal with and either disorganized on that side or aloof, perhaps both.

I agree TWI's recent post with "crazy foiled" was an LPCC deck so we will see. I dont remember receiving many from them last year but there were probably a few.

Yes the KWP printer has been doing ...pretty well, I just thumbed through my box of extra cards and the maduro one was possibly the best thing in there. I just got the "fools court" from pocket aces printed by an undisclosed PRC printer that is about the same as the room one cards.

[Disenchanted_11]

It's sad to see that our industry has become dependent with printing companies, who doesn't really care about creators and projects, and doesn't have any accountability, just like Kickstarter.

Like these projects were visualized and created with the included luxury with it being printed by Cartamundi in mind, and it doesn't really work the same way when printed with others.

The thought that printing with WJPC was just a consolation, and that we have paid the price for a different product, all of those are long gone. They have been replaced with new frustrations and new problems one after another.

I'm chill about all this but I still very much like to get my 1 luxury deck, lol.

[Adamthinks]

The one consolation for me in all the hubub with Cartamundi closing is that all the foiled decks I've gotten so far that were printed with WJPC were outstanding, Goldsmith especially. Better than they would have been with Cartamundi, imo. It's just too bad using them seems to come with a bunch of extra headaches for the creators.

[kevork]

Why did WJPC get so big all of a sudden in the community post-Cartamundi? What led to those alternative printers that were already prevalent in the community (EPCC & LPCC) not being used more?

Both have impressive portfolios:
https://expertplayingcard.com/
https://legendsplayingcards.com/

[Adamthinks]

I can't speak to EPCC, but I kept reading about creators having lots of issues with communicating with Legends. With them just not responding back for long stretches of time.

[Evilgamer]

Why did WJPC get so big all of a sudden in the community post-Cartamundi? What led to those alternative printers that were already prevalent in the community (EPCC & LPCC) not being used more?

Both have impressive portfolios:
https://expertplayingcard.com/
https://legendsplayingcards.com/

Id say because they were already being used by S17 and TWI with good effect before Cartamundi decided to do a derp. Everyone else just went with a proven thing.

that went down just as I started collecting but I recall legends(?) having a reputation for curling decks, certainly have a KWP deck from them that I had to replace because it was U shaped.

[Adamthinks]

Yeah, the curling decks was another issue that affected both LPCC and EPCC. I have multiple Kings Wild decks that were printed by EPCC that had that issue and a few decks from TWI that were done by Legends and had the same issue. IIRC both print companies were using the same print facility so that makes sense.

[Disenchanted_11]

The one consolation for me in all the hubub with Cartamundi closing is that all the foiled decks I've gotten so far that were printed with WJPC were outstanding, Goldsmith especially. Better than they would have been with Cartamundi, imo. It's just too bad using them seems to come with a bunch of extra headaches for the creators.

I will never not regret not getting Goldsmith on Cartamundi paper.
100% WJPC foiling is good but the paper is nothing to write home about. It's really lovely to look at though, so yes, it's the consolation.

[RandyButterfield]

I’ve printed 80,000+ Decks with Legends over the last 10 years, and I’ve never had a curling problem. I’m also about to do a big print run with them in the next month or two.

I think designers just like to go with the “cool” new printer. That was USPCC at first, Cartamundi when they came onto the scene for a while, and finally WJPC when Cartamundi stopped printing custom Decks.

Legends is here for the long haul. They’re consistent in high quality and reliable production timelines.

Thanks, Randy

[Honeybee]

I will never not regret not getting Goldsmith on Cartamundi paper.

Are you saying I will always regret Goldsmith not being produced on Cartamundi paper

[laitostarr777]

Why did WJPC get so big all of a sudden in the community post-Cartamundi? What led to those alternative printers that were already prevalent in the community (EPCC & LPCC) not being used more?

Both have impressive portfolios:
https://expertplayingcard.com/
https://legendsplayingcards.com/

Maybe its because... before the Cartamundi fiasco, several designers printed their decks with WJPC and have positive feedbacks. Learning of this, those who were stuck because Cartamundi halting operations decided to move to WJPC. Since then, it has been the favorite of a thousands people: due to how many possibilities they can make on the decks and how they can accept a lower print run order - even Cardistry brands such as MISSING, Fontaine, and "His Highness OG Designer" printed with WJPC.

Perhaps EPCC is avoided due to that one time, when KWP had been doing foiled decks with them, the decks eventually turned really bendy - so bendy that you can hear the loud click. Perhaps LPCC is avoided due to the high costs of productions? We never knew...

Perhaps this is simply a matter of a hype train: "many brands printed in WJPC, so I should too" mentality.

[JazzBaloo]

The beowulf deck quality was another disappointment for me. Kind of a plastic look and feel with cards sticking together.

[hsbc]

I will never not regret not getting Goldsmith on Cartamundi paper.

I had to read this five times to understand You wish it had been Cartamundi, yes?

[laitostarr777]

I will never not regret not getting Goldsmith on Cartamundi paper.

I had to read this five times to understand You wish it had been Cartamundi, yes?

We all are XD so with Groundskeeper and Beetlebacks