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Posted: **Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:47 pm**

Were these not supposed to be fully custom? I'm not alleging anything, just seems very odd to say that and then find this.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:13 am**

Harvonsgard wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:33 pm Okaaaay... ? That is super weird. Like not even waiting until the project you steal from is over?

They just updated and claimed that they did not steal. The version 1 printed in 2020? And posted on Facebook more than 1 year ago.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ga ... ts/3531147

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:16 am**

Well, fully custom means fully custom, not necessarly original, although I can see why some one would assume it @Piazza.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:03 am**

PiazzaDelivery wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:47 pm Were these not supposed to be fully custom? I'm not alleging anything, just seems very odd to say that and then find this.

It’s very possible Asad hired an artist and this is what the artist delivered. Don’t think it’s necessarily on Asad to vet the origin of the work especially if he was told it’s original. Asad May be the biggest victim here.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:11 am**

“Tastefully customized face card designs that pay homage to traditional aesthetics.”

It seems fully custom was not stated, but “tastefully customized” - I doubt that was an accidental phrase.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:14 am**

@Omar, yes and no. Absolutely correct that, if you pay someone for something you should get what you payed for but ultimatively it's your name on the project so, there is that.

If I didn't overread it, no one ever claimed the court design to be original though so, no harm done yet in my book. It's a fun coincedence that two campaigns use the same template almost simultaniously though.

Reading the other comments it seems that fully custom means original to y'all? These courts are still fully custom, imo.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:11 am**

I think it counts as fully custom but I also think it's a little disappointing to learn the designer just copy/pasted a commercially available template.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:59 am**

I'm pretty sure i've seen this court design on another deck, in fact I looked over the weekend using Google Lens to see if I could find it but no joy.

The debate around waht consititutes "fully custom" is an interesting one for sure. To me it means original courts AND pips, not modified.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:40 am**

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:03 am
PiazzaDelivery wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:47 pm Were these not supposed to be fully custom? I'm not alleging anything, just seems very odd to say that and then find this.
It’s very possible Asad hired an artist and this is what the artist delivered. Don’t think it’s necessarily on Asad to vet the origin of the work especially if he was told it’s original. Asad May be the biggest victim here.

In Asad's Kickstarter kickoff livestream, if I recall correctly, he said he purchased the design some time ago from Edo Huang (I'm pretty sure that who it was - it was a name that was familiar to me) and had been waiting for the right project to use it on. I suppose its possible the purchase was a right to use the design versus paying for exclusivity

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:47 am**

shunterino wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:11 am I think it counts as fully custom but I also think it's a little disappointing to learn the designer just copy/pasted a commercially available template.

yet this is what happens in what % of decks? any deck with standard courts do this exact thing and get praised for it (by some). overall, i think it is a bit hypocritical for people to get a bit bent on them being cut and paste or not original when so many of the decks people go apes#$t over are standard courts or a version of.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:08 am**

STLBluesNut wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:47 am
yet this is what happens in what % of decks? any deck with standard courts do this exact thing and get praised for it (by some). overall, i think it is a bit hypocritical for people to get a bit bent on them being cut and paste or not original when so many of the decks people go apes#$t over are standard courts or a version of.

I don't think you can compare this to modified standard courts. People keep standard courts for a specific reason (to make the cards useable for games and magic) and modification is deliberately kept minimal for those reasons. It's different if you create brand new courts and expectations change accordingly. In those cases, people want design/art from the designer that makes the deck something special, so it isn't the same thing at all.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:33 am**

Original is overrated for me.
My flow chart is easy: Do I like them?
Yes ---> purchase
No ---> move on

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:48 am**

shermjack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:38 pmAnyways, it leads me to believe that these courts are available to the public for use

Seems to be the case: Freepik, Original full deck with 54 cards with illustrations of king queen jack and joker set

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:59 am**

shunterino wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:08 am
STLBluesNut wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:47 am
yet this is what happens in what % of decks? any deck with standard courts do this exact thing and get praised for it (by some). overall, i think it is a bit hypocritical for people to get a bit bent on them being cut and paste or not original when so many of the decks people go apes#$t over are standard courts or a version of.
I don't think you can compare this to modified standard courts. People keep standard courts for a specific reason (to make the cards useable for games and magic) and modification is deliberately kept minimal for those reasons. It's different if you create brand new courts and expectations change accordingly. In those cases, people want design/art from the designer that makes the deck something special, so it isn't the same thing at all.

just because you can or want to ascribe certain reasons to it, doesn't mean it isn't the same. in practice, it is cut and paste. courts that are already made that you have little or no modification. i would agree SOME do this ''to make the cards {more} useable for games and magic'', cards are useable for these purposes with out being standard and some companies/designers just do this because it is easy and lazy and accepted, using what you stated as an excuse because they have barely a creative bone in their body, if they even try and excuse it at all.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:36 pm**

While I might argue one way or another for creativity or what custom means, I just never liked them and never will.

Mind you, I am a fan of 52Kards as a store - and Fulton’s has taught me just how hyped slightly recolored standard faces can be - so I’m not throwing shade at them - just really hate those courts.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:39 pm**

steampunk52 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:40 am
TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:03 am It’s very possible Asad hired an artist and this is what the artist delivered. ...
In Asad's Kickstarter kickoff livestream, if I recall correctly, he said he purchased the design some time ago from Edo Huang

Yes, this is also at the bottom of the KS campaign page

CREDITS TO:

Asad Chaudhry (@asadchaudhry52): Creative Director
Edo Huang (@edohuang): Designer
Matt Fujiwara (@shooterscardco): Photographer
Adam Borderline(@borderlineadam): Photographer

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:06 pm**

hsbc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:39 pm
steampunk52 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:40 am
TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:03 am It’s very possible Asad hired an artist and this is what the artist delivered. ...
In Asad's Kickstarter kickoff livestream, if I recall correctly, he said he purchased the design some time ago from Edo Huang
Yes, this is also at the bottom of the KS campaign page

CREDITS TO:

Asad Chaudhry (@asadchaudhry52): Creative Director
Edo Huang (@edohuang): Designer
Matt Fujiwara (@shooterscardco): Photographer
Adam Borderline(@borderlineadam): Photographer

Im trying to remember, but now that I think on it, he may have been referring to the back design. That would make sense, given the finding of the link above where the courts can be purchased.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:41 pm**

This was recently brought to my attention. To be honest, I was under the assumption that the court designs I acquired for this project were completely original, but thankfully I never made that claim publicly. It's a bit disappointing, but I’m not entirely surprised as it’s a common practice for playing card designers to use stock court designs as a base, and then customize them. The main focus and emphasis of this project for me was the back design, but I do plan on getting the court cards completely redesigned for the eventual 2nd edition after all the feedback surrounding this.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:11 pm**

I'd also like to clarify the origins of this deck and clearly state that the designer (Edo Huang) is not at fault for anything unprofessional here. I didn't hire Edo to design this deck from scratch. Rather, I stumbled across this post he made on his Instagram page way back in 2017: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb0764tgXGV ... MTA2M2Y%3D

The photo is of a prototype deck of the Waves back design (he called the design "Liquid" back then). I loved the back design so much that I decided to acquire it from him and produce it through 52Kards. We worked out a deal and then we started fleshing out the rest of the design aspects of the deck. When he presented the court card designs as an option I incorrectly assumed that they were completely original since they were so different from court designs that I'm used to seeing. I didn't ask too many questions as I knew the main selling point of the deck was the back design, and the originality of the faces wasn't really on my mind. There's no need for any controversy here as no one claimed the court cards were completely original.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:53 pm**

I was very on-the-fence for this project, but I ended up backing it ultimately because I like the back design a lot. The fact that it just didn't mesh with the design of the faces is a very large part of why I was on-the-fence. But, as I say, at the end of the day, it was the full-bleed version of the backs that tipped me onto the side of backing.

That said, if I'd realized that Edo Huang was the designer in question, that would have nudged me off the fence in the other direction. This designer has, in the past, claimed work to be original that was later shown to be absolutely cut-and-paste from what amounts to clip art. IIRC, I think he may have started arguing semantics at that point (maybe it was his defenders, I'm not sure; it's been a long time since that particular deck), but either way, I just flipped the bit on projects credited to him. He may be a great guy and I have no beef with him personally, but I'm not generally inclined to throw original artist money at clip art projects.

I am also aware that others do back his projects and like what they receive, and I have no desire to try to rain on anybody's parade.

Truly, I don't think anybody here has behaved dishonorably with regard to this project, and Asad has nothing to apologize for. I don't think anything here was really misrepresented, the usual hype factors notwithstanding. I look forward to getting my decks, and I fully anticipate putting one into my nightly rotation, but the fact that Edo Huang essentially continues to build his designs on clip art is... well, it is what it is.

That said, when I see "fully customized," I expect more than recolored standards or clip art, but I also know that the term has been misused to mean recolored on more than one occasion. >shrug<

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:15 pm**

KS update wrote:I have another update regarding the Foil Edition Waves deck which was introduced as an Add On item during the campaign. This was an extremely limited deck release with only 1,000 decks available and they were all claimed rather quickly. I didn't post any images of this deck design as it's difficult to present foil accurately in a mockup, but I verbally described the design concept as being an inverted borderless design with a white background and the Waves design pattern printed with a black cold foil.

After corresponding back and forth with Cartamundi, they have informed me that due to their particular cold foiling process, it's recommended to use a foil that has a lighter color shade rather than a darker color shade in order to achieve the best possible foil appearance. If we were to proceed with black foil, the end result would be different than a hot foiling process and would likely have the black foil looking a bit "muted" and not as shiny or glimmering as we would hope.

With this in mind, I've decided to change the color scheme around for this version of the deck in order to ensure we get the best looking cards possible. Instead of a white borderless background and the Waves design pattern in black foil; the updated back design will now have a black borderless background and the Waves design pattern in SILVER foil. The silver foil will have much more shine as it reflects more light, and the stark contrast between the glimmering silver and the black background will create an extremely eye catching and aesthetic deck.

I'm confident that this new color scheme will be more attractive than the original color scheme that I presented. That being said, if any backers who claimed this deck are no longer interested in it due to this color change, you are more than welcome to send us a message requesting to remove the deck(s) from your reward package and we will send you refund.

Everything else about this deck will remain the same (1,000 deck print run, borderless design, custom serialized seal, etc.)

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:55 pm**

Posted: **Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:05 am**

They should have mentioned hsbc by name on the ad card - or haven’t they heard tales of his boldness?

I heard that he emits an aura that dissolves glue - traveling the back country with his blue ox babe - though I might be mixing him up with someone else there…

Posted: **Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:46 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:09 pm**

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