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[redacted] triples tariffs on low value packages from China and Hong Kong

Just got this from stockholm17…

Im not from US , Im curious what S17's plan is for Non US members ,will there be a price increment for all .

zlexander wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:20 am Im not from US , Im curious what S17's plan is for Non US members ,will there be a price increment for all .

Will there be a price increment at all when he's ready to ship?

bdawg923 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:58 am [redacted] triples tariffs on low value packages from China and Hong Kong

You can say "Trump" -- or just "the White House" or even "the US"

hsbc wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:47 am

bdawg923 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:58 am [redacted] triples tariffs on low value packages from China and Hong Kong

You can say "Trump" -- or just "the White House" or even "the US"

Too political for me!

Whoever is in charge of tariffs (we're still trying to find the guy) just paused them for 90 days, but left the 10% tariff in place I think, and raised china's tariff to 125%. But tariffs were a good thing (as we keep being told) so not sure why they are paused. [... --hsbc]

Which companies have factories in Taiwan? They are suddenly in a much better financial position than those in mainland China

bdawg923 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 1:23 pm

hsbc wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:47 am

bdawg923 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 09, 2025 9:58 am [redacted] triples tariffs on low value packages from China and Hong Kong

You can say "Trump" -- or just "the White House" or even "the US"

Too political for me!

Is this satire? I can’t tell

Currently the US tariffs on China are 145%

You have to expect an imminent collapse for any American industries that are dependent on China for parts etc
Some of course will have alternative suppliers but some would not. It is not as if they were given sufficient warning to prepare for this. I am not saying that they won't be able to do a rebirth in the future when alternative supply chains are set up but in the meantime it is hard to see them all surviving with the massive price increases they would have to pass on to their customers

Back to cards. Are the Chinese tarrifs an issue for Bicycle/USPCC or other American playing card makers looking to do business there? Has China raised tarriffs since last being at around 85%? I tried to Google search it but the media isn't focused on that.

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:58 pm Are the Chinese tarrifs an issue for Bicycle/USPCC or other American playing card makers looking to do business there?

Pure speculation: USPCC's paper is likely US-made but I'd be very surprised if their factory equipment is made domestically

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:58 pm Has China raised tarriffs since last being at around 85%?

Not as far as I'm aware

hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 7:43 pm

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:58 pm Are the Chinese tarrifs an issue for Bicycle/USPCC or other American playing card makers looking to do business there?

Pure speculation: USPCC's paper is likely US-made but I'd be very surprised if their factory equipment is made domestically

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:58 pm Has China raised tarriffs since last being at around 85%?

Not as far as I'm aware

What does their factory equipment being made in other countries have to do with them selling their products to the world? Does USPCC have domestic operations in China that allows them to avoid tarrifs?

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:58 pm Has China raised tarriffs since last being at around 85%?

They put a (partial?) ban on hollywood movies

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:33 pm What does their factory equipment being made in other countries have to do with them selling their products to the world?

Parts and new equipment raise costs, with over 100% tariff on things costing tens, hundreds, millions of dollars…

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:37 pm

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:33 pm What does their factory equipment being made in other countries have to do with them selling their products to the world?

Parts and new equipment raise costs, with over 100% tariff on things costing tens, hundreds, millions of dollars…

The question is in relation to what was proposed. Did I misinterpret the meaning behind the statement? Does China have over 100% tarriff or is that reverting the question of extra costs responsibility back on the US? I don't think this is the case but when I asked about Chinese tarrifs was it confused with American tarriffs?

Should they buy their paper from overseas and/or need new equipment that likely wasn't built domestically, those additional costs imposed by tarrifs will ultimately be passed on to consumers. That's what I got from the initial statement.

kevork wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:01 pm Should they buy their paper from overseas and/or need new equipment that likely wasn't built domestically, those additional costs imposed by tarrifs will ultimately be passed on to consumers. That's what I got from the initial statement.

OK so then yes I think there is confusion of which tarrifs I'm talking about because only the first part of my question is being answered as if it is separate from the entire question.

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:58 pm Are the Chinese tarrifs an issue for Bicycle/USPCC or other American playing card makers looking to do business there?

I (and I think everyone else) misunderstood If USPCC wants to sell their US-made decks in China, yes, they would be subject to an ~84% tariff. I can't imagine it's a huge segment of their market... but now I'm thinking about casinos in Macau, so maybe?

So I think Jazz is asking whether China has high tariffs on US decks coming into China which would be hurting American producers like USPC
Without knowing what tariffs China may be imposing (I think they have been matching whatever the USA does to them), I suppose the question is whether China imports a significant quantity of playing cards
My knowledge only extends to the fact that the USPC shop stopped selling to International markets like Australia (unbelievable IMO !), so I would think not.
Maybe China collectors could/do buy from Bicycle Japan/Matsui Gaming or other Asian outlets

ps I had not read hsbc's last post, so apologies for some duplication

Honeybee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:18 pm You have to expect an imminent collapse for any American industries that are dependent on China for parts etc
Some of course will have alternative suppliers but some would not. It is not as if they were given sufficient warning to prepare for this. I am not saying that they won't be able to do a rebirth in the future when alternative supply chains are set up but in the meantime it is hard to see them all surviving with the massive price increases they would have to pass on to their customers

Not enough warning? Trump has been saying he would do this since well before the election. Nobody should have been caught off guard imo.

[Politics removed --hsbc]

So how many businesses do you think, stopped using China as there supplier - I am thinking not many [...]

hsbc wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:33 pm

JazzBaloo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:58 pm Are the Chinese tarrifs an issue for Bicycle/USPCC or other American playing card makers looking to do business there?

I (and I think everyone else) misunderstood If USPCC wants to sell their US-made decks in China, yes, they would be subject to an ~84% tariff. I can't imagine it's a huge segment of their market... but now I'm thinking about casinos in Macau, so maybe?

China has a big collector base , I would say quite equivalent to US

zlexander wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:26 am

China has a big collector base , I would say quite equivalent to US

WOW

china raised theirs to 125% overnight and seem to be going after the bond market angle

I had put that in the “far from over” category, but frankly the way things are going I think its going to come to an end sooner than later, as we are headed quickly for people feeling it in their pocketbooks enough to throw polls

Ah yes, the polls that a lame duck president and a Chinese dictator care about.

Not sure the dictator cares, but over here it pretty apparent from moves made already that wind still blows sails.

Trump can shift to any other position and claim it was his original intent, as he continues to seek a win - though how he manages to get a clean exit from this is hard to imagine - I don’t envy him or the political spin machine here

As trade is pretty much shut down I figure each will find some point to concede to the other and both will claim victory

Most likely “stopping flow of fentanyl” will be featured as thats the low hanging fruit.

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:08 am Most likely “stopping flow of fentanyl” will be featured as thats the low hanging fruit.

The Boogeyman goes by many different names.

Oh how effective it is to target one of the most primitive parts of our brain: fear.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/customs ... tions.html

Tariffs aren't being collected because everything is broken.

I would have distributed plastic tariff collection buckets a week prior - have to be prepared.