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BaconWise wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:32 am I am always impressed with how engaged and transparent Omar is in response to any concerns in this thread and really any of his project threads. He doesn't shy away from any criticism (constructive or otherwise) when it would be quite easy to go radio-silent and just launch the campaign. Regardless of whether you plan to back this campaign or not, I think he deserves and immense amount of respect (if he somehow hasn't already earned that) for his approach to these discussions.

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:45 am
This isn’t a universal sentiment. This is an opinion. There are plenty of people paying top dollar for apple computers, teslas, and more. And a lot of people who think very highly of the quality of those products as well. Some hold them to be the pinnacle and standard by which all others are measured. If the TGW brand is one day regarded in the same way then I would be extremely proud.

Strag wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 11:53 am I happen to like limited decks. I like large production numbers as well. I'm not entirely sure where my collector dopamine hit is going to come from next, but I know that it happens and it's not always predictable.

There are elements of this campaign I love. A couple I love. A few I don't care for.

What I do absolutely LOVE is how engaged with this community TGW is. Probably more patient and understanding than I would be about discussions that in my opinion have dragged on ad nauseum. I didn't get Parlor. I went all in on Tempest. I'm on the fence on this one. All three are and will be a success and what I am convinced of is he will continue to learn and improve.

Overall my feeling is that TGW has been a positive contributor to UC and the wider playing card community. For me and my hobby/obsession that can only be a good thing.

PrincessTrouble wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 2:20 pm Shifting back to the cards rather than the campaign... Can we see the improvements to the black deck?

Strag wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 11:53 am I happen to like limited decks. I like large production numbers as well. I'm not entirely sure where my collector dopamine hit is going to come from next, but I know that it happens and it's not always predictable.

There are elements of this campaign I love. A couple I love. A few I don't care for.

What I do absolutely LOVE is how engaged with this community TGW is. Probably more patient and understanding than I would be about discussions that in my opinion have dragged on ad nauseum. I didn't get Parlor. I went all in on Tempest. I'm on the fence on this one. All three are and will be a success and what I am convinced of is he will continue to learn and improve.

Overall my feeling is that TGW has been a positive contributor to UC and the wider playing card community. For me and my hobby/obsession that can only be a good thing.

PrincessTrouble wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 2:20 pm Shifting back to the cards rather than the campaign... Can we see the improvements to the black deck?

STLBluesNut wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:27 am i noticed on the campaign that the white edition will have custom seal at 250%. of course i would rather not have a seal at all but will this seal be a bottom tuck seal like the parlor or is it going to be the traditional seal that will rip off the 4 layers of foil it is put on? put all this work into a gorgeous 4 foil tuck and cover it with a sticker.

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:45 am
Bottom seal. I don’t like ripped stickers!

hsbc wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 12:21 pm I want to go in for the five deck set, which at $199 would be my biggest KS pledge ever - I wish I could justify the box and Prism deck but I can't

hsbc wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 12:21 pm I want to go in for the five deck set, which at $199 would be my biggest KS pledge ever - I wish I could justify the box and Prism deck but I can't

hsbc wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 12:21 pm I want to go in for the five deck set, which at $199 would be my biggest KS pledge ever - I wish I could justify the box and Prism deck but I can't

laitostarr777 wrote: ↑Sat May 21, 2022 12:53 am

hsbc wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 12:21 pm I want to go in for the five deck set, which at $199 would be my biggest KS pledge ever - I wish I could justify the box and Prism deck but I can't

YIKES! $199 for all 5
Jeez, i better stick with my plan of getting Dynastinae during Backerkit (HOPEFULLY)

Bikefanatic wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:10 am It's hilarious to me when people say they practice scrolling the tier list to get to the one they want, I do it too! When a campaign launch, I quickly go the the Reward tiers, pledge, then make any add-ons or adjustments and finally I read the Campaign information.

Of course we mostly shoot for the EBs pledges but I don't mind at times when they're gone because that's a little more money for campaigns to fund.

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:51 pm

Grizz wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 10:39 am

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:51 pm

I really appreciate the input. Helps me to understand things clearly and make better choices and decisions. I will be unveiling all of the decks from the beginning so there will be no mystery there. Ultimately the LAST thing i want my backers to feel is disrespected. BELIEVE me. I owe every backer a huge thank you for the amazing support you've all shown me!

STLBluesNut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:43 pm

TheGentlemanWake wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:28 pm (1) I do think that scarcity -- be it 'artificial' or created or not -- does increase desirability. There's a finite number available and they won't be made again. I think collectors in general are the type of people who value and take pride in pieces that are hard to come by or unique in that way.

(2)The one issue Successor faces is that funding a campaign with the items I am planning on making means setting some boundaries on manufacturing. These deluxe boxes are not cheap to cast/make/ship. So a limitation of 400 makes the project manageable. Not that selling 3400 wouldn't be a great problem to have--but it would be a problem. lol.

(3)I think bud there is one thing you are overlooking... and collectors/consumers/fans/backers will always look at it your way... but those exorbitant prices on the secondary market for old releases--even though they translate in no monetary or financial benefit to the original project creator--genuinely produce more desire, anticipation and in turn revenue on future projects. Nothing creates fervor like it. In fact you can argue that your entire post is a direct response to the FEELINGS that those practices bring up. Frustration? Desperation? FOMO? It sounds counterproductive but it sells products.

1. scarcity does for some increase desirability, i certainly cannot disagree. however, i also don't think that number has to be so small. as someone else said, one for each backer is fine. future collectors will still see it as hard to get but you aren't screwing over the people that are already paying for your campaign.

2. this is why i tried to limit what i was saying do decks of cards. as card collectors that is the main thing we are there for and some also like those other items. i in no way mean that you should have 3400 ebony wood, gold plated, 3 pound casting covered collectors boxes on the ready.

3. so if the hype you are trying to build by making it a purposefully limited supply is to increase future sales, why not just increase future sales by actually selling more? i would argue that actually selling more accomplishes the same goal without pissing off a segment of your consumer base. yes my whole post was directed by the FEELINGS that those practices bring up. you know what those feelings also do? stop me from buying products from creators/companies/brands that make me FEEL irritated, frustrated and pissed off. there are only so many times someone is going to get shafted by only being able to buy 4 out of 6, for this example, in a set and still buy your product at all. oh well, you build up enough hype to get enough new customers to cancel out the loss from old ones? (not saying you in particular are purposely doing this) i think that is a pretty disrespectful way to treat a consumer base that was there from the beginning.

the ONLY brick i have EVER bought was The Parlour. plus add ons during the campaign. i was caught up in the hype because i love your videos and your ''brand". hundreds of dollars. after that campaign and others like it, and this on the tempest "Some other yet-to-be-unlocked stretch goals may contain some limited items. These items will have a specific count (i.e. 1000 or 777 etc.). These items will only be made available as part of new tiers. Backers wanting to add these new rare and limited items will need to move into the newly available limited tiers.", you want to know how much i spent on your second campaign? a $49 trio. why? because it is all too much. I'm not going to sit there and babysit a campaign again. I'm not going to keep switching tiers or adding add ons. if all of those decks were available at the beginning i would have bought them all.

but hey, you got some hype, you sold out of your artificially limited decks. you got to bump up resale value for the aftermarket. you'll likely get to sell all of your limited items again. so its all good right? so i guess we will see how this campaign goes. what and if ill pledge for anything. at the end of the day, these are all my opinions, which it seems many may agree on. its your call ultimately. do you do what you can to please current and former backers who are true collectors or do what you need to do to build hype by limiting decks to build up aftermarket value knowing that some of your backers wont be able to get =some of your decks. it sounds like you are tryin to mitigate some of that which is good. some just dgaf.