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PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:27 pm Sign up for launch notifications here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pl ... ying-cards

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Adamthinks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:22 pm When does it go live?

August 13th

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I think its looking very solid - but the Shuffled Ink (for the printer picky) and 500 limit are likely to throw some, and perhaps attract others (depending on their side of the arbitrary limit debate)

I for one scratch my head to think of what Shuffled Ink decks I have - surely have some - and I will be in on it regardless of the printer or the limits (or the lack thereof) - as I love a good cohesive art deck.

I have to say, the uncut sheet may be one of the coolest I’ve ever seen. I’ll be keeping an eye on this. Tuck box could maybe use some work but I can’t put my finger on it.

Fenrir wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:35 pm I have to say, the uncut sheet may be one of the coolest I’ve ever seen. I’ll be keeping an eye on this. Tuck box could maybe use some work but I can’t put my finger on it.

Thanks so much!
Thr tuck boxes will be Embossed and hsvd the lenticular front on them, that should help it stand out I think

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:21 pm I think its looking very solid - but the Shuffled Ink (for the printer picky) and 500 limit are likely to throw some, and perhaps attract others (depending on their side of the arbitrary limit debate)

I for one scratch my head to think of what Shuffled Ink decks I have - surely have some - and I will be in on it regardless of the printer or the limits (or the lack thereof) - as I love a good cohesive art deck.

The limit is simply just based on this being my first kickstarter and deck ever, and I didn't think people would be interested enough to go over that 500.

I do have 3 other decks in this series as stretch goals though. All different editions.

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:45 pm

Fenrir wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:35 pm I have to say, the uncut sheet may be one of the coolest I’ve ever seen. I’ll be keeping an eye on this. Tuck box could maybe use some work but I can’t put my finger on it.

Thanks so much!
Thr tuck boxes will be Embossed and hsvd the lenticular front on them, that should help it stand out I think

If it’s embossed count me in. The lenticular is also awesome. Plus it appears you are Canadian (me too). Have to support our Canadian artists.

Where are you based in Canada?

Fenrir wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 1:32 pm

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:45 pm

Fenrir wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:35 pm I have to say, the uncut sheet may be one of the coolest I’ve ever seen. I’ll be keeping an eye on this. Tuck box could maybe use some work but I can’t put my finger on it.

Thanks so much!
Thr tuck boxes will be Embossed and hsvd the lenticular front on them, that should help it stand out I think

If it’s embossed count me in. The lenticular is also awesome. Plus it appears you are Canadian (me too). Have to support our Canadian artists.

Where are you based in Canada?

Ooof, actually now that I remember the tucks for SPIRITS v1 are not Embossed just because of the lenticular panel.

Oops, but hey, the lenses are still unique imo.

Ayyyyy, I'm from Alberta lol, you?

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 3:16 pm

Fenrir wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 1:32 pm

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:45 pm

Fenrir wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:35 pm I have to say, the uncut sheet may be one of the coolest I’ve ever seen. I’ll be keeping an eye on this. Tuck box could maybe use some work but I can’t put my finger on it.

Thanks so much!
Thr tuck boxes will be Embossed and hsvd the lenticular front on them, that should help it stand out I think

If it’s embossed count me in. The lenticular is also awesome. Plus it appears you are Canadian (me too). Have to support our Canadian artists.

Where are you based in Canada?

Ooof, actually now that I remember the tucks for SPIRITS v1 are not Embossed just because of the lenticular panel.

Oops, but hey, the lenses are still unique imo.

Ayyyyy, I'm from Alberta lol, you?

Slight bummer about the embossing but I’ll still probably be in. I was hoping for a lower price on the uncut sheet but we will see at launch.

Ontario for me!

GandalfPC wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:21 pm
I for one scratch my head to think of what Shuffled Ink decks I have - surely have some -

I think the first three kings wild shorts deck were printed with shuffled ink. Equinox (fall), haunted 8s and old ironsides. I'm sure there are others but these are the first popular ones that come to mind

One thing that stands out as being a bit odd is the fact that the kings and queens are all one-way illustrations and the jacks are semi-two-way. I think some consistency would be better as the contrast is a bit jarring.

veil wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:58 am One thing that stands out as being a bit odd is the fact that the kings and queens are all one-way illustrations and the jacks are semi-two-way. I think some consistency would be better as the contrast is a bit jarring.

Just a design choice. The Jack's are to represent the princes and princesses.

None of the cards in the deck are true 2 way. They're all one-way.

Maybe I might have missed, who is handling the fulfillment?

GandalfTheWhite wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:02 pm Maybe I might have missed, who is handling the fulfillment?

I am, personally.
I have about 10 years of experience when it comes to self-owned businesses and shipping. I used to make resin polyhedral dice from scratch, and would ship 100's across the world. My wife used to make artisan nerdy soaps and we also did big numbers with that.

We are Canadian, but we have a US mailing address that we use for shipping, making our costs cheaper than using Canadian methods.

We are a small team, but we are dedicated to make sure every single order is handled with the same love and care.

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:32 pm

veil wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:58 am One thing that stands out as being a bit odd is the fact that the kings and queens are all one-way illustrations and the jacks are semi-two-way. I think some consistency would be better as the contrast is a bit jarring.

Just a design choice. The Jack's are to represent the princes and princesses.

None of the cards in the deck are true 2 way. They're all one-way.

I understand it was a choice you made. The cards didn't end up that way by accident; I'm just suggesting it's a choice which I would revisit. I also understand that the jacks are not two-way; that's why I said "semi-two-way" to indicate that they are reversible but not perfectly symmetrical.

veil wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:37 am

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:32 pm

veil wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:58 am One thing that stands out as being a bit odd is the fact that the kings and queens are all one-way illustrations and the jacks are semi-two-way. I think some consistency would be better as the contrast is a bit jarring.

Just a design choice. The Jack's are to represent the princes and princesses.

None of the cards in the deck are true 2 way. They're all one-way.

I understand it was a choice you made. The cards didn't end up that way by accident; I'm just suggesting it's a choice which I would revisit. I also understand that the jacks are not two-way; that's why I said "semi-two-way" to indicate that they are reversible but not perfectly symmetrical.

I completely understand.
My next few decks in development are two-way mirrored.

This is a one-way art deck. That's all.

veil wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:37 am

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:32 pm

veil wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:58 am One thing that stands out as being a bit odd is the fact that the kings and queens are all one-way illustrations and the jacks are semi-two-way. I think some consistency would be better as the contrast is a bit jarring.

Just a design choice. The Jack's are to represent the princes and princesses.

None of the cards in the deck are true 2 way. They're all one-way.

I understand it was a choice you made. The cards didn't end up that way by accident; I'm just suggesting it's a choice which I would revisit. I also understand that the jacks are not two-way; that's why I said "semi-two-way" to indicate that they are reversible but not perfectly symmetrical.

i agree that the jacks being a different ''format'' looks odd. i would also agree that i would suggest revisiting that as well, especially if the purpose was some PC ''inclusive'' nonsense.

other than that, the art looks great. the KoD and QoD draw my attention the most. QoD is the best of the bunch imo.

STLBluesNut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:59 am

veil wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:37 am

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:32 pm

veil wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:58 am One thing that stands out as being a bit odd is the fact that the kings and queens are all one-way illustrations and the jacks are semi-two-way. I think some consistency would be better as the contrast is a bit jarring.

Just a design choice. The Jack's are to represent the princes and princesses.

None of the cards in the deck are true 2 way. They're all one-way.

I understand it was a choice you made. The cards didn't end up that way by accident; I'm just suggesting it's a choice which I would revisit. I also understand that the jacks are not two-way; that's why I said "semi-two-way" to indicate that they are reversible but not perfectly symmetrical.

i agree that the jacks being a different ''format'' looks odd. i would also agree that i would suggest revisiting that as well, especially if the purpose was some PC ''inclusive'' nonsense.

other than that, the art looks great. the KoD and QoD draw my attention the most. QoD is the best of the bunch imo.

Making the Jacks 2 different characters as Prince and Princess has nothing to do with inclusivity and everything to do with the story I want to tell through the deck. In the future I will release more traditional looking decks with mirrored faces and such. I appreciate the feedback however.

Maybe for SPIRITS v2, ill do a mirrored version

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:15 pm

STLBluesNut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:59 am

veil wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:37 am

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:32 pm

veil wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:58 am One thing that stands out as being a bit odd is the fact that the kings and queens are all one-way illustrations and the jacks are semi-two-way. I think some consistency would be better as the contrast is a bit jarring.

Just a design choice. The Jack's are to represent the princes and princesses.

None of the cards in the deck are true 2 way. They're all one-way.

I understand it was a choice you made. The cards didn't end up that way by accident; I'm just suggesting it's a choice which I would revisit. I also understand that the jacks are not two-way; that's why I said "semi-two-way" to indicate that they are reversible but not perfectly symmetrical.

i agree that the jacks being a different ''format'' looks odd. i would also agree that i would suggest revisiting that as well, especially if the purpose was some PC ''inclusive'' nonsense.

other than that, the art looks great. the KoD and QoD draw my attention the most. QoD is the best of the bunch imo.

Making the Jacks 2 different characters as Prince and Princess has nothing to do with inclusivity and everything to do with the story I want to tell through the deck. In the future I will release more traditional looking decks with mirrored faces and such. I appreciate the feedback however.

Maybe for SPIRITS v2, ill do a mirrored version

I'll stray from the chorus as I like the way the jacks are different. As an aside, I have the person you responded to blocked, and occasionally will see him quoted and am reminded why.

Go with your artist vision mate. Unfortunately, it's impossible to avoid Karens in here.

Disenchanted_11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:56 am it's impossible to avoid Karens in here.

+1

Disenchanted_11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:56 am Go with your artist vision mate. Unfortunately, it's impossible to avoid Karens in here.

The creator literally asked for feedback. Are you saying that offering suggestions for improvement when asked makes one a "Karen" (whatever that is supposed to mean)? How bizarre.

PlayTheVillain wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:15 pm
In the future I will release more traditional looking decks with mirrored faces and such. I appreciate the feedback however.

Maybe for SPIRITS v2, ill do a mirrored version

i actually really like the full one way court. i like that the art can be more detailed and gives a chance to expand on the body of the character. usually, if a campaign offers a deck with traditional mirrored courts or the full, one way court, i choose the later.

Disenchanted_11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:56 am Go with your artist vision mate. Unfortunately, it's impossible to avoid Karens in here.

An artist should always follow their vision. A businessman should always listen to their customers.

When you are a combo of the two - well, thats a tougher route to figure than either alone.

I would not say that not going for the single two way court would be an applicable use of the term Karen, and it has me on the fence about going in on them - its a thing, that effects sales, for better or for worse, and is indeed, the artists vision.


Artists often sacrifice (or at least are willing to sacrifice) mass appeal for something really appealing to a smaller group. I appreciate those decks the most - be they for me or not.

But as a businessman I know that for every 1 customer complaint you hear there are 5000 you don’t - and that the customer is always right (ok, grain of salt on that one )

veil wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:43 am

Disenchanted_11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:56 am Go with your artist vision mate. Unfortunately, it's impossible to avoid Karens in here.

The creator literally asked for feedback. Are you saying that offering suggestions for improvement when asked makes one a "Karen" (whatever that is supposed to mean)? How bizarre.

I mean, to be fair I asked for feedback on the kickstarter page. Deck design feedback is a different thread.

Artists should always ask for forgiveness, not permission.

A huge chunk of your market doesn't like your newest design? As long as it wasnt something that made them hate you, then it just wasn't made for them and you can make a design that is next time.

I want to tell a story of 4 lost kingdoms in the afterlife. And that's what my design decisions are based off.

If 'unique', 'collectable', 'limited', 'art focused', and 'odd', are words that describe things you like, then you'll like SPIRITS.

Well spoken - and with you sticking to those guns as strongly as you have, I’m in for a deck.