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The Knight is the most devastating and unpredictable piece on the board. It is the only piece capable of escaping its opponents by leaping over them.
Daniel Madison and Chris Ramsay have teamed up to bring you one of the most elegant and refined decks to ever come out of USPCC.
A crushed stock, coupled with a smooth finish and traditional cut, make this deck feel as good as it looks.

A few surprises lie within the simplistic and classic matt white and gold foil tuck. These hidden features embody the aesthetics and practicality which appeal to magicians, gamblers and chess players alike.
Metallic Gold ink coupled with original art work from the insanely creative mind of Oban Jones brings this iconic piece of design to life before your very eyes.

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Not bad. Not that amazing but not bad for E nowadays.

Very nice, really like the backs, however I vow never to purchase cards with magician faces.

Seconded. An egoist blight on card design.

I do really like the back design and can't help but feel that -- if the courts had to be redrawn (of course, they'll actually mostly be re-used, but whatever) -- then wouldn't have been more in aid of the deck's theme to have used chess masters??

If the same attention to detail that was spent on the AoS inside the tuck was spent on the courts and outside of the tuck, they'd have an awesome deck here! But as it is it's still not bad. I have to give them credit for coming up with a cool theme which is something E hasn't done in YEARS. But I love how they just couldn't help themselves- they FINALLY make a Madison-free deck but just HAD to integrate him somehow by making him a court

I'll agree with that. Too many times there is too much effort put into designing the inside of the tuck and not enough on the cards. D&D have decks guilty of this too.

N00b question: What is "crushed stock" vs other stocks? Guess I'm asking about all other stocks too. Thanks.

RichK wrote:N00b question: What is "crushed stock" vs other stocks? Guess I'm asking about all other stocks too. Thanks.

I believe that it's thinner than their other stocks and has only been around for a year or so.

vasta41 wrote:

RichK wrote:N00b question: What is "crushed stock" vs other stocks? Guess I'm asking about all other stocks too. Thanks.

I believe that it's thinner than their other stocks and has only been around for a year or so.

Thanks.

RichK wrote:N00b question: What is "crushed stock" vs other stocks? Guess I'm asking about all other stocks too. Thanks.

All USPC stocks are crushed together so by default every card stock is a crushed stock. USPC takes two rolls of paper, adds a thin coat of glue and crushes them together to a certain thickness. Bee stock is thicker than Bike stock which were the only two stocks that USPC really made previous to the latest which is Thin Crush (used in Blue Choice Playing Cards from Penguin Magic this year) and it is thinner than Bike stock. All stocks will vary in thickness to some degree due to the process of creating a deck of playing cards. On this deck in particular it's more than likely this is Bike stock, it's what's usually found on E decks. If it's Thin Crush then you will be able to notice a difference of about 3-4 cards worth of thickness across the deck.

Fes wrote:

RichK wrote:N00b question: What is "crushed stock" vs other stocks? Guess I'm asking about all other stocks too. Thanks.

All USPC stocks are crushed together so by default every card stock is a crushed stock. USPC takes two rolls of paper, adds a thin coat of glue and crushes them together to a certain thickness. Bee stock is thicker than Bike stock which were the only two stocks that USPC really made previous to the latest which is Thin Crush (used in Blue Choice Playing Cards from Penguin Magic this year) and it is thinner than Bike stock. All stocks will vary in thickness to some degree due to the process of creating a deck of playing cards. On this deck in particular it's more than likely this is Bike stock, it's what's usually found on E decks. If it's Thin Crush then you will be able to notice a difference of about 3-4 cards worth of thickness across the deck.

Thanks Fes. Very interesting.

Sorry for offtopic,
For stock, cut, finish,... i recommend this video by magicorthodoxy :



Greets, Azid

Just got my BC freebie in:

I think vasta has it spot-on: they just can't help themselves. Besides the court faces, they had to mark them. Bottom left/upper right different orders of the pieces identifies the rank. Just odd that the man who advertises he was almost being killed cheating for realZ keeps pumping out marked decks.
Anyways - stock is very nice, love the traditional cut and the gold-for-red works for me. Not sure why the "hidden feature" of marking would appeal to a chess player, though (or how they're "iconic").
Those of you who have already passed on these are way ahead of the curve!

...so, I guess they never did give out a prize for that 'change our motto' contest from years ago....i will propose a new one anyways:

ellusionist: we just can't help ourselves

hikeeba wrote:Just got my BC freebie in:

I think vasta has it spot-on: they just can't help themselves. Besides the court faces, they had to mark them. Bottom left/upper right different orders of the pieces identifies the rank. Just odd that the man who advertises he was almost being killed cheating for realZ keeps pumping out marked decks.
Anyways - stock is very nice, love the traditional cut and the gold-for-red works for me. Not sure why the "hidden feature" of marking would appeal to a chess player, though (or how they're "iconic").
Those of you who have already passed on these are way ahead of the curve!

...so, I guess they never did give out a prize for that 'change our motto' contest from years ago....i will propose a new one anyways:

ellusionist: we just can't help ourselves

Did they provide you with a guide to the marking system? Or, is this a "figure it out on your own?"

In the spirit of Kelvin Thompson (inventor of the "Git it yo self service") you have to figure it out your damn self.

Thanks, e!

New recolor red knights coming out a picture was on there instagram @ellusionist

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If that's red foil on the backs, I'm all over this.

I'll definitely pick one up too because I liked the first ones a lot, but I'm wondering if red is the right color for this deck...
Knights has this edge of subtlety to it, of cleanliness. It seems odd to have a bright flashy red on white. I think silver might have been a better choice.

Sadly, Ellusionist has struggled to attract me as a customer since 2014, and their PR has actually pushed me far away from their products.

I have never purchased a Madison product with his logo. Those decks are atrocious.

That being said, the Knights deck is one of the few products I've "had to" purchase from them lately. I look forward to this.

Imo Aurelian and Knights were the best decks from ellusionist in the last ~3 years, so i'm looking forward to this.

Red Knights will be released tomorrow, click the link for a pic of the tuck: https://www.instagram.com/p/BWaDCYXnWy4 ... llusionist" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Damn, that tuck actually looks amazing. Gold on red works. I hope I'm wrong about the red on white for the cards though.

I know a lot of people didn't like that the Knights were marked or the courts put the creators faces on them, but if you can look past that, Knights are probably my favorite deck from Ellusionist.

Looks like foiled backs... and only $10 each! What's the catch??

Once again Daniel Madison & Chris Ramsay have teamed up to bring you the second entry in the Knights saga.

A crushed stock, coupled with a smooth finish, red foil backs and a traditional cut make his deck feel as good as it looks.

A few surprises lie within the simplistic and classic matte red and gold foil tuck. These hidden features embody the aesthetics and practicality which appeal to magicians, gamblers and chess players alike.

These are the Red Knights Playing Cards.

Your move...

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vasta41 wrote:Looks like foiled backs... and only $10 each! What's the catch??

Once again Daniel Madison & Chris Ramsay have teamed up to bring you the second entry in the Knights saga.

A crushed stock, coupled with a smooth finish, red foil backs and a traditional cut make his deck feel as good as it looks.

A few surprises lie within the simplistic and classic matte red and gold foil tuck. These hidden features embody the aesthetics and practicality which appeal to magicians, gamblers and chess players alike.

These are the Red Knights Playing Cards.

Your move...

http://www.ellusionist.com/red-knights.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You'd think they'd feature the foiled backs more. I can't even tell the backs are foiled from the pictures.

Something seems amiss here. Ellusionist, the creators of over-hyped nonsense, make a deck with a supposed foil back and only mention it in passing within once sentence? And then on top of it only charge $10 without so much as even hinting to us how good of a deal it is? That doesn't sound like them. But one thing does have me concerned- the lack of the term 'Metalluxe.' If the backs truly are foiled then why wouldn't they mention Metalluxe? It just doesn't add up.

I wonder if it's red metallic ink rather than red foil on the backs. I ordered a couple, so I guess I'll see soon enough. But I'm preparing to be disappointed with no foil.

PrincessTrouble wrote:I wonder if it's red metallic ink rather than red foil on the backs. I ordered a couple, so I guess I'll see soon enough. But I'm preparing to be disappointed with no foil.

If that's the case then the statement I quoted from my e-mail is a blatant lie by them. It clearly states that the backs are foiled. sinjin, our resident lawyer: can you please chime in here?

vasta41 wrote:

PrincessTrouble wrote:I wonder if it's red metallic ink rather than red foil on the backs. I ordered a couple, so I guess I'll see soon enough. But I'm preparing to be disappointed with no foil.

If that's the case then the statement I quoted from my e-mail is a blatant lie by them. It clearly states that the backs are foiled. sinjin, our resident lawyer: can you please chime in here?

Far from sinjin as a lawyer but their page says "crushed stock, smooth finish, tradiutioinal cut, red foil backs".

If it's not red foil I'll be pissed.

I recall Theory11 not too long ago releasing a deck with full foiling on the back at the $10 price point.

I'm as cynical as the next guy (probably more; I think the next guy is just pretending), but I'm expecting this to be exactly what they are promising, and totally worth the price of admission. Boo-ya.

Does anyone know if the reds are marked?

When I saw the Instagram video, I thought they weren't, as Madison flips the corners and they seem all the same, but the description implies otherwise.