Silver Arrow Playing Cards - Relaunch Early November

[Yashi]

I don't have any exact numbers in my head right now, but I'd say that the international shipping is what it usually is. I believe the average shipping cost for a brick is around $30-35 for me, often times higher than that when it is KS projects.

Nope $28 is normal for a brick. Condering he's charging $32 plus whatever the US cost is (remember that's already built-in) once again International buyers are getting shafted. I'll pass.

Yeah, Randy is charging $28 for a brick and shipping with Kings Wild Fulfillment. I wonder why they're charging $32.

Anyway, the latest update was just what I wanted to hear to get me to pledge. The only thing stopping me before was the silver hearts and diamonds.

[montecarlojoe]

I don't get how the Pearl isn't defacto limited edition.

If the number of them given out versus Slate is around 1:8 (if two per brick happens), then what else do you call it? (As Top has said)

but then if, in reality 12,500 of each are produced and the Pearl "thank-yous" are a sort of pre-release than that would be true - not a ltd edition at all (but also not an enticement either)

[TGunitedcardists]

I don't have any exact numbers in my head right now, but I'd say that the international shipping is what it usually is. I believe the average shipping cost for a brick is around $30-35 for me, often times higher than that when it is KS projects.

Nope $28 is normal for a brick. Condering he's charging $32 plus whatever the US cost is (remember that's already built-in) once again International buyers are getting shafted. I'll pass.

Nope $28 is NOT normal for a brick. Condering (sic) he's charging pretty close to what he using charges plus whatever the US cost is (remember he's running his business the best way he can and he's made the price point especially reasonable, trying to satisfy all the people that whinged about *everything he does*) once again international buyers are getting treated like they always get treated on US projects, other than MPC who offer free shipping.

If with your flawed logic, you're getting bent out of shape because of $4?

Here's some of the prices I've seen on Kickstarter projects:

Federal 52 Brick $120 + $24 International Shipping = $144
Federal 52 Part 2 Brick $132 + $23 International Shipping = $155
Sherlock Holmes Brick $132 + $30 International Shipping = $162
Independence Add-on Brick $132 + $24 International Shipping = $156
Moriarty Edition Reprint Brick $132 + $24 International Shipping = $156
1910 Army Add-on Brick $110 + $30 International Shipping = $140
Premium Army Add-on Brick $165 + $30 International Shipping = $195
1910/Premium Army Add-on Mixed Brick $140 + $30 International Shipping = $170

Silver Arrow Brick $72 + $32 International Shipping = $104

Non-Kings Wild decks:

MPC Brick $105 + Free Worldwide Shipping = $105
MPC Mixed Brick $108 + Free Worldwide Shipping = $108
MPC Combi-Full Brick $115 + Free Worldwide Shipping = $115

Seasons Split Brick $132+ $24 International Shipping = $156

Mana Sybil Brick + Free Gold Reserve $120 + $30 International Shipping = $150

I think it's really hard to complain about prices on this project and get frustrated at JR because of the price of international shipping when you look at other Kickstarter projects to compare.

Oh, the culture of UnitedCardists...

[TGunitedcardists]

The project is currently at $11,900 with 18 days to go. There is a chance it will make it.

Here's the new update for anyone who is not a backer:

First off, thank you to everyone for your incredible support on the first day. I know it's only the first day but I wanted to go over a few design and production updates.

Everyone's comments have been very informative and useful. The two main concerns have been the following:

1. How can I get two Pearl Editions without having to buy 22 Slate Editions?

2. Can you add some red into the design and possibly alter the design of the diamond pip to help with readability.

When I originally structured this project I wanted to create a project in which backers could get the highest quality playing cards and tuck for an incredibly low price. In order to do that I had to step away from the usual 1 standard and 1 very expensive LTD deck both with high per deck production cost. I also had to drastically increase the number of decks produced just to lower the per deck production cost as well. This combination brings you guys the lowest possible price for the decks.

As for the Pearl Edition, it is no way a Limited Edition deck but simply a thank you and also incentive for everyone who purchases a brick.

Possible New Pledge Tier

To help create a solution for the people that would like to have 2 Pearl Editions I'm thinking about adding a new E1 Pledge Tier that is similar to the D1 that will include:

10x Slate Editions 2x Pearl Editions If this is something you guys support I will close out the current D1 Tier and create the new E1 tier that will include the 2x Pearl Editions. All the backers in the D1 tier will be automatically given the same reward as the E1 tier. I know some backers will have pledged and may not remember to change their tier upon reading this update. Unfortunately, I can't change the tier description once there is even a single backer in any tier so this is the best way for everyone.

Adding Red into the Slate Edition

As for introducing red into the design, this is something that has been an overwhelming request already. So in order to retain my original vision for the deck and also create a very usable Slate Edition I will be doing the following:

Replacing the metallic silver featured in the heart and diamond suites with a deep metallic red ink, ONLY in the Slate Edition. I will be keeping the metallic silver ink in place of the red suites ONLY in Pearl edition. I think this will be a great compromise and make both decks even more unique and different from each other.

The bottom right diamond is a big improvement. The color red he chose looks good. Overall, nice improvement. Bring on the E1 tier.

[volantangel]

@TG There really isnt a point of comparing the overall prices of the bricks + shipping, we all know that the bricks are very very well priced there is no denying that. Strag's point was solely on the cost of international shipping, so lets discuss that.

I just bought a brick of AP's Stash decks, they charged me $28 (technically 27 and change) for priority padded envelope. I checked for US shipping, it was $13 for the same service and the difference here is $15. Ok so jackson ships his out in boxes (lets forgo the cost of boxes, since its the same in both international and domestic and hence cancel out).

So the question now is, does shipping out in boxes cause a difference of almost $20?

Lets look at Lotrek's latest dark venexiana project, his additional cost for adding on a brick is $20 for shipping internationally, and that is with fulfillment fees included. That is what i feel is a more accurate representation of int shipping.

Btw, im not just calling jackson out on this, its practically everyone on kickstarter that is following the trend of charging $30+ extra for a brick.

[Bikefanatic]

I didn't pledge yet because I knew it'll be some type of change or confusion. As a one deck guy, I'm trying to decide if I want 4, 6, or 12. It'll be nice to have 1 or 2 Pearl editions but I wouldn't know what to do with the rest. I'm not a gift giver like that.

[TGunitedcardists]

@TG There really isnt a point of comparing the overall prices of the bricks + shipping, we all know that the bricks are very very well priced there is no denying that. Strag's point was solely on the cost of international shipping, so lets discuss that.

I just bought a brick of AP's Stash decks, they charged me $28 (technically 27 and change) for priority padded envelope. I checked for US shipping, it was $13 for the same service and the difference here is $15. Ok so jackson ships his out in boxes (lets forgo the cost of boxes, since its the same in both international and domestic and hence cancel out).

So the question now is, does shipping out in boxes cause a difference of almost $20?

Lets look at Lotrek's latest dark venexiana project, his additional cost for adding on a brick is $20 for shipping internationally, and that is with fulfillment fees included. That is what i feel is a more accurate representation of int shipping.

Btw, im not just calling jackson out on this, its practically everyone on kickstarter that is following the trend of charging $30+ extra for a brick.

Looks like the Lotrek's is the best deal for shipping on a brick of cards, but by no means is it the normal price. When it says shipping, handling is also included, and materials. I did another quick search:

Lotrek's Venexiana Dark $20 for one brick
Titanic Playing Cards $27 for one brick
1910 Brew House $30 for one brick
Silver Arrows $32
Collectable Playing Cards Metal Rider Back $35 for one brick

Cancel out the high and the low you have have $27-$32 for international shipping as an "average". Seems like that is the going rate of having it shipped internationally.

Let's take the $20 brick shipping price as the norm. And one night, after drinking heavily, Jackson thinks it's best if he doesn't some UnitedCardist keyboarding and address the masses that think he's ripping them off on international shipping, because he's a bleeding heart, and just wants everyone to smile and says, "I can't do it for less, that's the actual cost for my KingsWildFulfillment company can do it because I hired a full-time staff and have my own facilities and have to pay taxes and all the other hidden costs, saving me time to just design cards instead of packaging them myself. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's the best method for my company. If that extra $12 is too much, please support other projects." Would it make a difference?

He's obviously done the numbers and weighed it against time/cost/people who might not back the project because of the shipping prices and he set his figure. Seems to me he's within in the brick shipping ballpark as everyone else. If $27 is OK for shipping a brick and $32 isn't, then it is what is is.

I don't think a $5 is such a big deal. And especially with this project, the overall price is excellent compared to other projects.

The takeaway is that Lotrek ships international bricks for the lowest price on Kickstarter. Try saying that 3 times really fast.

[MagikFingerz]

Oh, the culture of UnitedCardists...

First of all, if you're reading every post here with that attitude, you're gonna have a bad time.

Secondly, no $5 isn't a lot. But it's about identifying unnecessary inflation of shipping prices, so that we don't have to pay $5 more every time. Shipping in itself is already high (it's gone up several times in the last couple of years), then there's handling which in theory could be anything. Seems like everyone prices their handling differently. And the hidden domestic shipping on KS only makes things worse.

Make no mistake, I think very few people actually try to make money off of inflating their shipping prices. But when there are cheaper/more practical options or easier ways to pack, get supplies etc we as international customers need that to be utilized to avoid paying unnecessarily high amounts for stuff that makes no difference to us.

[Yashi]

Not that I'm bent up about it but I could do so much with $4. I could have an above average meal, I could pay for customs, or I could use it towards another Kickstarter. I get that this hobby doesn't come cheap but it would be nice to understand the reasoning behind things like international shipping. I'm still going to get a brick of Silver Arrows but as I said in my earlier post, I don't get why Jackson is charging $32 for international shipping and Randy is only charging $28 for a brick of his Spitfire deck when they're both using Kings Wild Fulfillment. I'd get it if it was the other way around but it's kind of strange the way it is.

[TGunitedcardists]

Oh, the culture of UnitedCardists...

First of all, if you're reading every post here with that attitude, you're gonna have a bad time.

Secondly, no $5 isn't a lot. But it's about identifying unnecessary inflation of shipping prices, so that we don't have to pay $5 more every time. Shipping in itself is already high (it's gone up several times in the last couple of years), then there's handling which in theory could be anything. Seems like everyone prices their handling differently. And the hidden domestic shipping on KS only makes things worse.

Make no mistake, I think very few people actually try to make money off of inflating their shipping prices. But when there are cheaper/more practical options or easier ways to pack, get supplies etc we as international customers need that to be utilized to avoid paying unnecessarily high amounts for stuff that makes no difference to us.

You want that. You don't need that. It's $5.

We pay more than US backers because of shipping. A lot more. We lose.

[MagikFingerz]

You want that. You don't need that. It's $5.

We pay more than US backers because of shipping. A lot more. We lose.

Maybe YOU don't need that, but most of us have a finite amount of money to spend on decks.

I made no comparison to US backers, so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

My point is: if others can ship cheaper, most likely without a loss, then why should we sometimes pay more?

[TGunitedcardists]

You want that. You don't need that. It's $5.

We pay more than US backers because of shipping. A lot more. We lose.

Maybe YOU don't need that, but most of us have a finite amount of money to spend on decks.

I made no comparison to US backers, so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

My point is: if others can ship cheaper, most likely without a loss, then why should we sometimes pay more?

You're right. I'm so wealthy, I have an infinite amount of money to spend on decks, so whatever the price, it's a non-issue.
It's up to you to decide if it's too much INCLUDING the stated shipping price. I think it's better just to look at the price, factor in the stated shipping price and think of that as the price. Make your decision from there.

It's pretty easy actually. Too much, don't buy. Pissed off, don't buy. Pissed off, but still really like the cards, buy.

Not that I'm bent up about it but I could do so much with $4. I could have an above average meal, I could pay for customs, or I could use it towards another Kickstarter. I get that this hobby doesn't come cheap but it would be nice to understand the reasoning behind things like international shipping. I'm still going to get a brick of Silver Arrows but as I said in my earlier post, I don't get why Jackson is charging $32 for international shipping and Randy is only charging $28 for a brick of his Spitfire deck when they're both using Kings Wild Fulfillment. I'd get it if it was the other way around but it's kind of strange the way it is.

I think he's charging $6 more because he can, and that he expects a lot of people to buy bricks at the lower price, and it helps him keep the lower price tag figure.

I wish I could get an above average meal for $4! You're really lucky. The Philippines has some amazing food and amazing fruit. San Miguel beer is pretty good too!

[Sher]

Oh, the culture of UnitedCardists...

I'm going to just reiterate what I said in an earlier post:

It's important to remember that there are many people with a lot of input and while it's easy to see this thread as one collective opinion, it's actually the opinions of several different individuals and therefore there are bound to be many clashing opinions within the thread and even with previously popular opinions stated in other threads.

[volantangel]

I think he's charging $6 more because he can, and that he expects a lot of people to buy bricks at the lower price, and it helps him keep the lower price tag figure.

Well isnt that a little screwed up if that is the case? Jumping on internationals to bolster domestics and to show an overall lower price. Honestly i dont even think thats the case.

What i feel is happening is "Hey everyone is charging $30+ for shipping, heck no one cares so lets put it as $32 even though my cost is probably $25". Well this is where to can stand up to say that we actually care. Like i mentioned in my previous post, if bluecrown can ship a brick at $28 (not discounting domestic), should anyone be paying $32 on top of domestic shipping?

[MagikFingerz]

You're right. I'm so wealthy, I have an infinite amount of money to spend on decks, so whatever the price, it's a non-issue.

Starting your reply with a sarcastically exaggerated assumption is a good way to not be taken seriously

[TGunitedcardists]

Maybe YOU don't need that, but most of us have a finite amount of money to spend on decks.

Pot. Kettle. Whatever.

[MagikFingerz]

Maybe YOU don't need that, but most of us have a finite amount of money to spend on decks.

Pot. Kettle. Whatever.

I made no assumption, I said "maybe" with no sarcasm or exaggeration. Also, YOU inferred me saying you have infinite money from "most of us have a finite amount of money". I could have said that your view of the $5 suggested you either have money to spare or you don't have a concept about accumulating costs (or both), THAT would be an assumption.

Complaining about any prices is necessary if they are unfairly or unnecessarily high, otherwise there won't be any change. Shipping prices are also much more easily defined (although again, that hidden part on KS does not help) compared to deck prices, so merely "voting with our wallets" isn't the optimal way to evoke change.

[rousselle]

Well, there he goes again, listening to feedback, thinking about it, and proposing a solution.

Fine.

I'm in for a brick.

[TGunitedcardists]

Maybe YOU don't need that, but most of us have a finite amount of money to spend on decks.

Pot. Kettle. Whatever.

I made no assumption, I said "maybe" with no sarcasm or exaggeration. Also, YOU inferred me saying you have infinite money from "most of us have a finite amount of money". I could have said that your view of the $5 suggested you either have money to spare or you don't have a concept about accumulating costs (or both), THAT would be an assumption.

Complaining about any prices is necessary if they are unfairly or unnecessarily high, otherwise there won't be any change. Shipping prices are also much more easily defined (although again, that hidden part on KS does not help) compared to deck prices, so merely "voting with our wallets" isn't the optimal way to evoke change.

I don't think complaining about prices is necessary. I think the best way is to vote with our wallets.

It's $5 on a project with excellent prices already. I don't think you're picking your battles carefully enough.

I like the deck. I hope it funds. I'll pay the shipping because that's part of the price. I hope you make whatever purchasing decision you're comfortable with.

[MagikFingerz]

I hope you make whatever purchasing decision you're comfortable with.

And the same to you, good sir. I made my decision not to get these pretty early on, before we even started this particular discussion. But I pick whichever battles I feel is necessary, regardless of having a personal interest in a particular product or not.

On topic: Yes, Jackson's response to the feedback in his update was as direct and professional as it could be, good job on that!

[Cbkimble]

I'm definitely in for a brick. I really like that he changed the brick from 11/1 to 10/2. The color change is nice but I like them the way they were too. Some decks just are playable.

Ex. Dark Templar - love the design but the colors are too dark and court suits are not easily readable. They're just a collector deck, IMO.

[Sparkz]

Shipping is a bear no matter what, I've been doing a lot of shipping over the last 6 months and even domestic is a pain. That being said, I don't understand.....let me repeat that, "I" don't understand why some folks, even domestic, forgo Priority over First Class sometimes. Let's face it, a box is better than a bubble mailer. There is more then one way to pack a box or mailer. You can just toss everything into one or the other or you can wrap, pad and secure one or the other.

Now to help save some people money, on shipments of 10 decks or so, I have used a Priority Bubble Mailer, but, I take and bubble wrap the decks flat, then sandwich them between two pieces of cardboard to make sure even if it's tossed around, it arrives in one piece. Now that process is a pain, it takes more time and material. As a company, any company, to employ a similar method on a large order would have to raise the cost of shipping and handling.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no two companies, designers or fulfillment centers do it the same way. I honestly never worry about anything that comes from KW and IS a KW product, I say that because even though Kings Wild Funding is doing fulfillment for others doesn't mean that the person employing KWF wants to pay for all the "Extra" shipping options. As it's own entity, you can say "This is how we do it, and it costs this" or you have a few options, which have a few different price points. Meaning, Joe Shmo Shipping can offer the same shipping rates as everyone else, but offer various shipping options, mailer, box, no padding, standard padding, steel reinforced strong box..........you get my point. So saying that so and so is using them, why is it different is an invalid argument because you don't know if it's "The same"

Lastly, some people have mentioned their experience with "Basic" packaging arriving fine, "...so why not just do it that way and save money" I look at that like I look at insurance, I bitch about having to pay high insurance rates.......until something happens. So until that "Inexpensive" method fails, it will look like the best solution for you.

Ya shipping blows, even more so for international, but pinning it on one person, company, or entity doesn't make sense. A $5.00 variance across multiple sources compared isn't terrible, if it were upwards of $10-15, well, then I get the issue. But let me stress, I honestly don't know that I could carry on this hobby if I had to deal with the terrible International Shipping rates.

Anyway, my two cents........

[sms69x]

I don't think complaining about prices is necessary. I think the best way is to vote with our wallets.

It's $5 on a project with excellent prices already. I don't think you're picking your battles carefully enough.

I like the deck. I hope it funds. I'll pay the shipping because that's part of the price. I hope you make whatever purchasing decision you're comfortable with.

Well is just because of people like you that creators keep increasing their profit out of international buyers... It is good that you can keep paying this increase in every project you like, unfurtunaly others aren't so lucky.

I'm not saying that this project is well price (read deck price), but there's no need to charge that high value on shipping, this is a matter of principle, I haven't backed other project in the recent past because of this.
If one brick shipped internationaly goes for $30-$35, why on earth should I pay that exact same value on a KS for a project that has already US shipping built in (give it a thought)??

[Sher]

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no two companies, designers or fulfillment centers do it the same way... So saying that so and so is using them, why is it different is an invalid argument because you don't know if it's "The same"

I agree that shipping varies in pricing because of the method and materials used. However, Yashi previously mentioned that Randy Butterfield used Kings Wild Fulfillment and shipping a brick was $28, not $32. So in this case it's the same company that's doing the same shipping. Either the shipping methods/materials used have changed since then, or there's an extra $4 in charge. Anyway, I'm giving Jackson the benefit of the doubt, since I don't know much about shipping.

About the complaining vs. voting with wallets - if people don't pledge/buy something, there's a myriad of reasons for that. How will the creator know why certain people did not pledge/buy his products? Probably by reading complaints/criticism. I think most people who criticize aim for improvement and want the creator to succeed, so they let him know what they think is wrong. The whole, "if you don't like it, don't buy it" is often said to shut people up from complaining/criticizing, but *some* (some, not all) criticism/feedback can actually be valuable to a creator. I think most of the time people just want to be met halfway and be given either an explanation or compromise, instead of being driven to boycott the product. Although admittedly this can be difficult as I've said earlier... there is bound to be someone who will be dissatisfied no matter what.

[rjtomlinson1977]

Just my two cents about international shipping: It's hard for a creator to determine a price that is fair (not only for the backer but for the creator of the project). Shipping to Canada is way cheaper than shipping to Australia likewise shipping to New York state is cheaper than California. In a perfect world Kickstarter would have shipping as a separate item for everyone, that way it can be calculated on a location by location basis.
One example of how location can make a huge difference: with our sketchpad project, someone bought sketch pads, tuck case pads, a padfolio and art supplies... with shipping they paid $57 total. Based on shipping to their country it cost us $64. So, basically we paid an extra $7 and he got all that stuff for free. Yeah, international shipping sucks!!!

[StanKindLee]

Starting to really appreciate Albino Dragons biz model - go for licensed popular media themes, no International shipping (due to licensing), high deck prices (due to licensing), and funded projects every time (popular media is king).

On topic: the kicktraq numbers for this project are quite interesting & not anywhere near the standard curves for card projects... a couple of more days like the past two & the project should fund.

[WillHart CthulhuWho1]

With the addition of the red ink to the Slate decks, I upped my four deck order to an E1 Brick with two Pearl decks.

And I hope enough of us do the same so these decks can reach their goal and get printed.

They may not be collectible, with 25,000 decks, but at $6.00 per deck, including the much ballyhooed and discussed shipping from the last few months, I can afford to use these decks for just about any purpose; and still be able to buy more later.

Now if Jackson would also make this kind of deal on his Tally-Ho's...

Will Hart
Fullerton, California

[Strag]

I don't have any exact numbers in my head right now, but I'd say that the international shipping is what it usually is. I believe the average shipping cost for a brick is around $30-35 for me, often times higher than that when it is KS projects.

Nope $28 is normal for a brick. Condering he's charging $32 plus whatever the US cost is (remember that's already built-in) once again International buyers are getting shafted. I'll pass.

Nope $28 is NOT normal for a brick. Condering (sic) he's charging pretty close to what he using charges plus whatever the US cost is (remember he's running his business the best way he can and he's made the price point especially reasonable, trying to satisfy all the people that whinged about *everything he does*) once again international buyers are getting treated like they always get treated on US projects, other than MPC who offer free shipping.

If with your flawed logic, you're getting bent out of shape because of $4?

Here's some of the prices I've seen on Kickstarter projects:

Federal 52 Brick $120 + $24 International Shipping = $144
Federal 52 Part 2 Brick $132 + $23 International Shipping = $155
Sherlock Holmes Brick $132 + $30 International Shipping = $162
Independence Add-on Brick $132 + $24 International Shipping = $156
Moriarty Edition Reprint Brick $132 + $24 International Shipping = $156
1910 Army Add-on Brick $110 + $30 International Shipping = $140
Premium Army Add-on Brick $165 + $30 International Shipping = $195
1910/Premium Army Add-on Mixed Brick $140 + $30 International Shipping = $170

Silver Arrow Brick $72 + $32 International Shipping = $104

Non-Kings Wild decks:

MPC Brick $105 + Free Worldwide Shipping = $105
MPC Mixed Brick $108 + Free Worldwide Shipping = $108
MPC Combi-Full Brick $115 + Free Worldwide Shipping = $115

Seasons Split Brick $132+ $24 International Shipping = $156

Mana Sybil Brick + Free Gold Reserve $120 + $30 International Shipping = $150

I think it's really hard to complain about prices on this project and get frustrated at JR because of the price of international shipping when you look at other Kickstarter projects to compare.

Oh, the culture of UnitedCardists...

Way to go with your Straw Man. If you don't know what it means, look it up.

By "normal" price for a brick, I meant how much it actually costs to physcially ship a brick, not how much most KS project managers rip off internationals on shipping. Amusingly Jackson is not even consistent with this versus how much he charges Internationals on his web site, which is $29. I don't care how good the price is overall, what I care is not feeling ripped off. In this case, I am being ripped off compared to domestic and it's clear that Internationals are providing an extra souce of profit, so I decline to participate. BTW, Kings Wild charge $11 to ship to California, so by charing $32 on KS he's essentially locking up an extra $14 in International shipping (minus, of course, the 10% that KS and Amazon + whatever fees he currently pays to his payment processors).

So the real question is... why are you such a defender of Jackson? Sock puppet or shill or just a fanboy?

[Eoghann]

Easy reference:
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Had to look it up myself. Didn't know there was an actual term for it.


In regards to shipping to internationals, it definitely sucks. Just last week I sent a single deck to the UK for $12.75! Can't even imagine what a brick would cost. The value is definitely variable depending on where it's shipping to but perhaps every project creator just rounds it off to balance the cheaper vs the most expensive countries to ship to?

What could be done to possibly fix that aside from maybe making different shipping tiers according to region? Or maybe even breaking down the tiers from most expensive to least expensive countries to ship to?

[StanKindLee]

How about a multi-national company which specializes in KS project (specifically card based) fulfillment. A broad based fulfillment charged is applied per deck & the decks are appropriately priced on KS with "shipping included", no add on shipping prices.

A maturation of the whole distribution model since KS is as much global as the cool US based crowd funding thingie it started out as.